2020 Election

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  1. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Was it also fake news when Trump led the birther conspiracy movement against President Barack Obama?
     
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  2. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    nope, it isn’t fake news... and it also was not trump who started. It started back in. 2008. but this one above is fake. It was actually posted on a left wing news source stating that, “I bet trump calls Kamala an anchor baby.“ Then supposedly there was some retweet by one of his staff, but I can’t find anywhere in which she retweeted the supposed article. Can’t find anything on trump saying what he supposedly said either. But if the quote is correct in the link above... he Supposedly said some people are saying, not that he is saying.
     
  3. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Trump uses misdirection all the time to get his point across without actually taking credit for the particular quote or statement.

    Michael Cohen in the forward to his new book claims Trump never jokes around, and if he retweeted something it's because he believes in the content.
     
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  4. Tishomingo

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    So Trump didn't say he had heard rumors that Harris doesn't meet the requirement? "Trump made the comments in answer to a reporter’s question and appeared to be referencing an op-ed written by John Eastman, a conservative attorney who argues that the U.S. Constitution doesn’t grant birthright citizenship. Eastman sowed doubt about Harris’ eligibility based on her parents’ immigration status. “I have no idea if that’s right,” said Trump, who said he had read a column on the subject earlier Thursday. “I would have thought, I would have assumed, that the Democrats would have checked that out before she gets chosen to run for vice president. Birthright citizenship seems to be a pretty clear provision of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution (not the 12th): https://www.washingtonpost.com/""All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside". A Supreme Court ruling in 1898 confirmed birthright citizenship.US v. Wong Kim Ark Do you have a problem with that?
    Trump campaign attack on Kamala Harris’s citizenship is right out of the birtherism playbook
    Unraveling the Controversy Over Kamala Harris' Citizenship
     
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  5. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    Actually hotwater, thanks for the link. So I watched the video.....

    a reporter asked Trump about claims made regarding Kama Harris....

    Trump answers, and says, so they are saying she wasn’t born here?

    Reporter says, no, she was born here, but they says she might not be eligible to run......

    Trump answers, Huh, I don’t know about this, I will take a look... and he moved on, disinterested And on to another question.

    this actually started on Facebook, these rumours about Kamala.... funny that fb would not remove these claims, considering they were right ontop of it when Legit doctors Were blocked because it was not the message they, fb wanted to give the public.

    now left wing news is running with it saying, trump is attacking another black candidate.... they, the left is making it a racial divide. When a question was asked that trump said I don’t know about this.

    Dirty playing, not caring that it is dividing people racially into camps, wanting the racial division. this is morally and ethically wrong... the left wing politics has absolutely no concern for the people. Win at all cost.... which is why I can’t get on board with the political party, They are feeding this narrative with lies, very misleading statements and headlines, All to win, but leaving the USA in shambles doesn’t matter as left wing politicians permit riot and destruction. Violence and burning. All to scare people, intimidate and destroy everything if things do not go there where, Really sad.

    now you have Biden running who was part of a campaign that spied on Donald trump and falsifying documents in order to tie things up in the White House for three years under Trump.
     
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  6. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    The War Democrats supported Lincoln, not the South.
    In 1863 Lincoln praised Ohio Democrat John Brough for saving the Union:
    In the 1864 election Lincoln won as a National Union Party candidate, not Republican. His vice presidential pick was Democrat Andrew Johnson. The National Union Party won 42 out of 54 Senate seats and 149 of 193 available House of Representatives seats.

    Lincoln appointed many War Democrats to various posts and positions and many Democrats supported him including the vice president, his speech writer, the governor of Ohio (a Northern state), a Massachusetts Senator and Union General (a Northern state), a Congressman and general, a Maryland Senator (a Southern state that did not succeed), an Illinois Union general (a Northern state), the Judge Advocate General of the Army, the Speaker of the House , the attorney General, the Secretary of War, etc. etc.
    And to think that not a single one of the 2,778,304 Union soldiers were Democrats and all of the 600,000 to 1,400,000 Southern soldiers were Democrats is just ludicrous.

    Making simple statements like "At the civil war was divided by republicans and democrats. The democrats were to the south and the republicans were to the North. Democrats wanted to keep the slaves, republicans didn’t approve. I am saying republicans ended slavery, not democrats, if they had their way it would have continued." just shows a loss of understanding of the complexities of the world.
     
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  7. MeAgain

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    No, Trump pulled his usual stunt of confusing the matter by not denying it as John McCain did when asked about the stupid Obama birthism joke.

    He hems and haws and allows others to make the accusations then supports them by pretending he'll "look into it". Typical mafia boss tactics.

    I have no idea what the 12th has to do with any of this.
     
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  8. 6-eyed shaman

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    The funny part is that it was the Hillary 08 campaign laid the foundation for the anti-Obama birther movement.
     
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    Harris was born at a Kaiser Hospital in 1964 in Oakland, California.
    Fuck trump, and the people who support him.
     
  10. Tishomingo

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    I just watched Trump talking about it. If that's what you saw, your description isn't accurate at all. He said the charge was made by " a very competent lawyer". The tone of his voice was such as to give credence to the charge. Meagain is exactly right. He's a master of innuendo, phrasing things with enough ambiguity as to allow credible denial. This is well-settled constitutional law, but for a long time Trump has been out to overturn it.
     
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  11. Tishomingo

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    But it was certainly Trump who took the ball and ran with it to launch his political career!
     
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    I think the reason trump believes in conspiracy theories is because he doesn't have the ability to think for himself, he has to be told what to think.
     
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    I disagree with you and me again, Even though I like meagain and his work too. Vote often for his photos as well. :). Trump followed it by saying, did they say she was born elsewhere? , she said no, she was born in bla bla bla... he pretty much shrugged it off in the end and moved on.

    how does this turn into left wing media sources making it a racial issue and saying, trump is going after a non white person again? You don’t have a problem with this?

    the false racist accusations that black people are targets must stop. You know just the other day a Man walked up to a 5 year old on his front lawn and shot him in the head. They were different ethnicities, does this matter? Where is the news coverage of that? Is this racial divide in media being heightened and causing People to lash out? This is very sad.
     
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    Fixed
     
  15. Tishomingo

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    Ending birthright citizenship has been a priority project of Trump and Lindsey Graham for some time, but they have to go through the constitutional amendment process to do it. The Fourteenth Amendment is clear.
    "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside". The legal argument raised by the lawyer challenging Kamala's citizenship focuses on the words “subject to the jurisdiction thereof". He says this limits birthright citizenship to legal resident aliens, and is questioning whether or not her parents were legal residents at the time of her birth. Also, Article II requires that the President be "natural born", which under common law principles of jus soli would mean born on U.S. soil. Kamala Harris was born in Oakland, California. Under the priciple of jus soli, any child born on U.S. soil is a citizen of the United States from birth, regardless of the naturalization status of the child’s parents. Neither of her parents were naturalized citizens at the time of her birth. The Supreme Court held in the 1898 case of U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark that "a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China", automatically became a U.S. citizen at birth. That would seem to settle the matter; both of her parents fit that description. According to Harvard law professor Einer Elhauge, "If you are born in the U.S, you are automatically a natural-born U.S. citizen under the constitution." Law professor Sarah Duggin from Catholic University adds: "There is no reason to look at where her parents came from, how long her parents were U.S. residents before she was born, or where she was raised." Constitutional Law Professor Josh Chafets describes the claim that Kamala is ineligible as “racist nonsense.”
    Is Kamala Harris Not Eligible to Serve as U.S. President?
    PolitiFact - Yes, Kamala Harris is eligible to run for president
    Fact check: Is Kamala Harris eligible to be vice president? Yes, ‘full stop, end of story, period, exclamation point.'
    Fact check: Kamala Harris is a citizen, eligible to serve as president
    Kamala Harris Is Eligible to Serve as President - FactCheck.org
    Fact check: Kamala Harris is a citizen, eligible to serve as president
    Born in the U.S.A.: Kamala Harris is eligible to become vice president | Opinion

    So who is this "competent lawyer" Trump is referring to for the contrary view? Apparently, John Eastman, a right wing law professor and anti-gay activist. Axios noted that Eastman's view was not accepted by constitutional law scholars, and labeled it "baseless". Harvard Law professor Lawrence Tribe said: “I hadn’t wanted to comment on [Eastman’s idea] because it’s such an idiotic theory. There is nothing to it.”
    Trump Encourages Racist Conspiracy Theory About Kamala Harris
    But Trump's campaign adviser Jenna Ellis has picked up the ball and run with it. Trump weighs in after campaign adviser floats false birther theory about Harris' eligibility to be vice president
     
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    If you are going to "fix" something at least make it legible....

    he to be... What the fuck is that supposed to be?
     
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    or maybe he has reason to believe it, know it is true... know there is a conspiracy against him when documents are changed by the fbi and other officials where by they tried to get him with falsified documents. That is a fact, no? There is a conspiracy,
     
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    I just don’t care really. I think of her as American, it is the only place she knows as home. I do not believe trump will go after her and I believe as well that he showed no interest. But it is nice to see that this all began by left wing twitter and fb accounts... and the news ran with it claiming it is racist. I do not believe in someone holding office who was not born and raised in the country they are representing, kamala is not like that, but again, I asked..

    what do you think of the way news sources are framing it... trump goes after a non white person, again?

    to repeat...

    how does this turn into left wing media sources making it a racial issue and saying, trump is going after a non white person again? You don’t have a problem with this?

    the false racist accusations that black people are targets must stop. You know just the other day a Man walked up to a 5 year old on his front lawn and shot him in the head. They were different ethnicities, does this matter? Where is the news coverage of that? Is this racial divide in media being heightened and causing People to lash out? This is very sad.
     
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  19. Tishomingo

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    Eastman is not "left wing twitter". Neither is Jenna Ellis. Sad indeed!
     
  20. soulcompromise

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    Is anyone sweating the election? I don't know if it's going to be close or not... I've sort of learned not to pay attention to the polls.
     
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