2020 Election

Wrat

I’d rather have you explaining your views than some well-paid propagandist some sources are ok but they shouldn’t replace your own views.

Why should people give an income stream to crap artists.

So are saying that you would want having a job to be a requirement before getting a vote?

Yes or No

 

showing an ID to vote is common sense not voter suppression
Thats my thought

Even Carter thought voter ID is legit
A 2005 report by former President Jimmy Carter and former Secretary of State James Baker concluded that concerns of both those who support and oppose strengthened voter ID laws were legitimate.

Proper identification is required to cash checks, open credit card accounts, and in many cases to use a debit or credit card to make retail purchases. Proper identification is also required to travel by plane, buy alcohol, rent an apartment, or buy property as well as a plethora of other things

logic dictates that an ID should be needed to vote

 

Wrat

Well if you had read up on this you’d see that they point out the problems with voter ID laws is those ‘least likely to have them [ID’s] were women, African-Americans and Democrats.”

What Carter and Baker seemed to be proposing is a mandatory federal ID card that everyone gets automatically. This is very common in many European countries you don’t have to register for one you get it if you want it or not and in many places it is an offence not to carry it around with you at all times.

It’s a compromise, it accepts that some states have brought in ID rules for voting but that those have had the effect of disenfranchising certain groups ‘women, African-Americans and Democrats’ so to stop that from happening they think bringing in a universal ID that someone does not have to register for or pay for but gets automatically would stop voter suppression from happening.

It’s basically a way of curtailing the use of ID laws to bring about voter suppression by embracing a universal and mandatory ID system.

It is a neat argument there is no real need for voter ID but if people are going to bring them in as a means of voter suppression then to stop such voter suppression make it mandatory and free for everyone to have ID’s.

 

Wrat

Then where is your logical argument then?

If you said we need to do this because…. – then that would be a logical argument saying that other things need an ID so this has to - isn’t , it’s a false equivalence

There seems to be no real and tangible need for voter ID laws so actually the most logical reason for someone wanting to bring it in is for voter suppression, seeing that that seems to be the real and tangible result of such laws.

 

Wrat

So anyway are saying that you would want having a job to be a requirement before getting a vote?

Yes or No

 

Sounds like you don't think Trump will lose unless there is voter fraud

Getting ID, Showing ID isn't much of a hoop


And curiously, the Professor you linked agrees in an earlier report Will Voter ID Laws Cost Obama Reelection?


Australia, we have compulsory voting, 92% turnout last election and must show photo ID, it's no biggie

To suggest otherwise is just a cop out, an excuse for lazy people not to vote

And to suggest certain minorities are at greater disadvantage by simply not being able to produce photo ID is an implicit form of racism

 

No form of ID is required to cast a ballot at an election; instead, voters are asked three questions before being issued a ballot, so that they can be checked off the electoral roll: (1) what is your full name; (2) where do you live; and (3) have you voted before in this election?[2] On election day, voters can vote at any polling place in their state of residence, and at selected polling places in other states.[3]

Although it seems to be different in Queensland, an Electoral Commission Queensland spokesperson said that “no-one who turns up to vote without ID will be turned away” and that voter information letters will be posted out this week, ready to scan at polling booths as a fast form of proof of identity.

 

Ah, yes, a little research can go a long way ….lol…

For some reason I’m suddenly reminded of Dian Fossey’s study of mountain gorillas, odd

 

Seems yet again you didn't provide the link on purpose

Queenslanders now have to prove their identity to vote – but why?

 

An old outdated article 5 1/2 years old, which may or may not truly represent what's happening at the polling sites - well I'm convinced.

 

That is the link for the paragraphs Balbus used

 

Queensland voters were wrongly turned away from polling booths in Australia’s first experience of voter identification laws, a leading community legal advocate has told a state parliamentary inquiry.

Farrell’s evidence suggested that some booth officials failed to follow the protections in the act, which allowed voters to make a “declaration vote” on the day and produce identification later.

University of Queensland law professor Graeme Orr…said voter turnout was down 1.1%, which was “a bit odd, as with a very close election one would expect voter turnout to rise, not fall”.

Queensland ID laws meant voters were wrongly turned away, inquiry told

 

You mean they even allow Antipodean low life anthropoids to vote ??? what is the world coming to ???

 

We don't have to produce ID when we vote here, but they want you to sign a roster with your registered address. They keep a log or something.

 

South Park making it known this November election is all about what you prefer
a douche bag (Biden) or a turd sandwich (Trump)

 

The GOP knows they don't win when people vote. They depend on making the system difficult and discouraging people from trying. Isn't it funny that the same party that thinks voting is so damn important thinks people cheat all the time and also says that all government is essentially corrupt and meaningless so you should avoid it. They both love and hate democracy simultaneously.

Democrats don't go on on both sides as much as Republicans and they are also the party that is more for easy voting for Americans. I've always voted by mail and my home area tends to elect a lot of Democrats. They check my address and signature. There is no real evidence of large scale voter fraud. Trump has had more evidence on several topics that are "witch hunts" according to the same people who want to stop most people from voting.

It's a 2 pronged approach. You can't really vote easily and it's a waste of time anyway. So the biggest turnout is old people who are retired (not always easy to get off work even when it's the law) and rather than growing up in the modern America they stay inside all day only watching Fox news. They grew up in a time when voting was marketed very differently. Between Fox and their romanticized view of being a kid in 1962 they end up supporting fascism.

There is a large age difference between the parties. Sure each side has young and old but the majority of people under 40 vote Democrat and even more people under 25 have zero issues with socialism that pushes Democrats from a centrist right party to something approaching true socialist policies. The younger people now are set to become the boomers. They will be the dominant demographic. It's why it's so important to fight their motivation now. Two sides have a very different view of Europe and tax. And each said is scared the other is so selfish and stupid they can't be trusted.

 

The sources are crap. Of course, the credibility of a claim is dependent on the source. If CNN reports that Trump is a member of a pedophile ring, I'd want to see corroborating evidence before I'd accept it as true. The video shows that someone working for Project Veritas claiming to be Eric Holder was able to obtain Eric Holder's ballot, showing how easy it is. Project Veritas is notorious for right wing bias. What became of this person, committing blatant voter fraud? Was he arrested and prosecuted? What became of the election board worker who gave him the ballot? Was he fired, or is he still working?
Project Veritas: how fake news prize went to rightwing group beloved by Trump
Project Veritas - Media Bias/Fact Check
A Trump-backed conservative group is trying to undermine real sexual assault victims with fake ones
So is Prager U.
("Overall, we rate PragerU Questionable based on extreme right-wing bias, promotion of propaganda, the use of poor sources who have failed fact checks, and the publication of misleading information regarding immigration and climate change" )PragerU - Media Bias/Fact Check
[Fighting confirmation bias] Does anyone else think Prager University is excessively ideologically driven? :
KotakuInActionThe Immoral Majority
Why haven't Trump, Barr and the Senate Republicans brought this up?

If we have places where ballots are handed out to anyone asking for them, I agree something needs to be done. In my state, voter ID is now required. But before that, when I'd show up, before being given a ballot, I'd be asked my name, the volunteer would look it up in their book, and I'd be required to sign on the line next to my name. And there would be several other officials at the table handing out ballots. The procedure shown in the video seems extremely fishy.

 

Oh But but but Trump is so far behind Biden. His numbers are dismal.

 

Project Veritas is total BS.

 

I have always said we should require a dental exam before voting. Most Trump supporters are meth users and if the dentist certifies the condition they should be prevented from voting, because of mental health concerns.