2020 Election

The former Vice President for 8 years under Obama

 

lol

 

Ah, that's why the name kinda rings a bell. I wonder what his role was in the largest drone bombing campaign in american history? Or how he felt being an accomplice to the highest deportation rates in american histroy?

 

His role was to defend the United States against enemies foreign and domestic and if it meant targeting a few sand crabs by use of our advanced drones then so be it.

 

I can't believe people are trolling Obama/Biden.

 

Really? Democrats tear each other apart in primaries.

Republicans do too, but when the dust settles it seems like they are better at squashing their beefs. Some of people who don't like Bernie today are mad at him about 2016, they treat him like a Nader.

Meanwhile Trump said Ted Cruz's dad helped kill JFK. But after he got the nomination, Ted Cruz just bro'd down.

 

In my lifetime the Republican Party has morphed from being a party that had some semblance of having a social conscience...ie nixon signed off on the creation of the EPA, moderately pro business to a party that has no sense of community, spreads hate to tap into the worst of our society to gain power, shuns democracy, and really serves only the wealthy. Their stock in trade is lies and propaganda. A classic example is the war on reputable climate policy. The so called unity in the Republican Party is not something they should be proud of because it’s an example of authoritarian antisocial politics run amok

 

i'm pretty sure you'll find trolls on cancer survivor forums, and you're surprised when it happens to politicians?

 

Bernie donated less than 1% of his income to charity the first year he took home $1million. At most he's donated about 4%.

(In my best Bernie voice): "I said redistribute your wealth! Not mine!"

 

Granite

The dominant economic and social theory up to Nixon was Keynesian, from that time on neoliberalist ‘free market’ ideas took over.

While Keynesianism was not socialism it was social conscious and believed in the idea of distribution to improve the lot of everyone in a society.

Neoliberal ‘free market’ are based basically on Social Darwinist ideas, of selfishness and everyone for themselves, where everyone is in competition for resources with everyone else, where society was a competition with winners and losers, where there would be the deserving advantaged and the undeserving disadvantaged.

For the neoliberal theorists this was meant bring about an individualist utopia where the drive and dynamism of the advantaged would raise the living standards of all.

Anyone looking at it rationally would quickly realise that such a system would just increase the power of the few to the detriment of everyone else and the few would then use that increased power to corrupt systems to their own advantage.

Which is what has been happening in those places were neoliberal ideas most flourished (In the US and UK).

 

Compared to Trump who had his own charity dissolved after a 'shocking pattern of illegality' in which he used a charity as a tax free vehicle for Donald Trump to collect donations and spend money on portraits of himself and legal defense for his golf club.

The Donald J. Trump Foundation, Explained

 

Media darling Joe Biden has thrown his hat in, so now, as far as the media is concerned, this race becomes Biden vs. Trump. Despite whatever the polls or numbers may be. We'll see how the rest of the candidates fare with the inevitable media blackout on their campaigns.

 

I'm not really suggesting that the democrats be the republicans in terms of policy.

Really that they just don't repeat 2016 and get so mad after the primary they stay home on election day if their OTP doesn't win.

 

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Your Count Von Count impression reminds me: In ancient folklore, vampires supposedly had obsessive compulsive disorder. So back in Ye old days, they would put sunflower seeds around suspected vampire graves. That way, when the vampires woke up, they would be stuck counting seeds until daylight.

Hence the Count from Sesame Street.

Sesame Street's The Count Loves To Count Because Of This Real-Life Vampire Legend

 

This is now my favorite story and has cheered me up considerably

I find the idea of a poor vampire trying to count all their seeds before sunrise so damn relatable

 

It occurs to me that Trump is the incumbent, which has him slated to win both the nomination and the presidency. Plus, 9 times out of 10 republicans win the presidency anyway. Sure there are outlying factors in this particular case. But as I've been saying, republicans this time around are seemingly all about victory; never mind the cost to the nation. So when someone is seemingly trolling Biden it occurs to me that this individual is either republican, or somewhat myopic about the situation. Myopic because Biden is quite possibly the best chance at unseating Trump. Of course we can see how well the experience in office factor did for us in the 2016 election. Why should 2020 be any different. Granted Biden (while also not my favorite candidate, which would be Harris) was only the Vice president. But he was there every step of the way with Obama watching Obama make important choices. I don't think the apple falls far from the tree in that regard.

The ridicule I'm talking about comes from @GuerrillaLorax,

who intones that there's blood on the hands of the Obama administration. I am shocked. I thought his actions in the presidency were always appropriate. I never never thought Obama was one to sacrifice the lives of the Middle Easterners for the sake of his political position or anything remotely close to that. Also, his role in deportation doesn't really bother me either. One of the problems with immigration is that it hasn't been enforced. Granted policies may be too stringent, but isn't a president supposed to uphold the law? If he didn't deport, people in the camp opposite would be saying he was soft. Further his rhetoric was never hard-line. Do we think Obama was secretly a hardliner on immigration? Do we think moderates in the current political climate are motivated to deport immigrants?

I think Biden should be considered a viable candidate, though as I said I'd prefer a Harris presidency.

 

Bernie is the only chance at unseating Trump. But everyone chooses to ignore those of us who are fed up with the establishment and their rigged system. And the establishment could obviously care less if it's Trump or a Republicrat like Biden. They get what they want either way. All I can say is good luck to those who think it actually matters if it's a Democrat or a Republican. Fewer hate crimes, maybe. Evidently more police brutality. It makes no difference.

 

Why? He didnt say anything untrue. The Obama administration did have a high deportation rate and did use drone warfare in multiple middle eastern countries.

 

They also armed the Saudis for their rampage on Yemen.