2020 Election

20/20 vision

 

Thats Buble isnt it? How on earth did he not think he should never get photographed eating something phalic that way?

 

Well, could you please copy and paste here how that $52 trillion is going to be funded?

Rather than one of you posting a link that doesnt actaully explain it saying the link explains it, learn to read

 

The disappointing thing is, Nobody dipped the corn dog into sauce.

 

get to the chopp'a ..

 

It's on her campaign website in detail
Also explains that where she's drawing her numbers from estimates 52 trillion in costs under our current system with millions of people not being covered, versus just under 52 trillion in costs by transitioning to a single payer with 100% of the population being covered.

Sanders plan says the same thing but the estimates are much lower...32 trillion single payer with 100% of coverage, over 32 trillion for the current system with coverage gaps

Either way single payer is cheaper. Compare the US to other healthcare systems and its blindingly obvious single payer is cheaper.

Bit rich for an aussie who has a single payer system to argue against a single payer system, your country pays for it just fine.

 

Errr....thats like $158,000 per capita

 

I didnt see this part, not saying you shouldnt have it eventually. But in one hit? Jeesus

 

I dont know what Warren's transition plan, I didnt read that far, but I doubt it's one hit

Sanders plan transitions over 4 years with assistance and retraining provided to those working in the insurance industry

The trillions of dollars is the estimate over years, not in one year. Sanders 32 trillion estimate is over a decade and we're predicted to spend more than that already without making any changes

 

Well, last budget, Medicare and Medicaid was just over 1 trillion

 

Right, the cost estimate of our current system is factoring in insurance costs/out of pocket costs for the uninsured/unpaid hospital bills/prescription drug costs and all that fun stuff too.

 

To give you an idea of how the US system works....

My work offers a couple of different insurance plans that range in price depending on the coverage, deductible, whether or not your spouse and kids are on it, etc.
So let's just say I wanted a low deductible plan that covered my spouse and child.
It would cost $500 a pay period, $1000 a month, $12k a year.
Or the other option , which I have, is the monthly premiums are much lower but if I ever need to be hospitalized I'll be stuck with a huge deductible to pay before my insurance pays a dime.
And that's employee sponsored healthcare, meaning my employer pays a portion. Insurance bought on the exchange tends to either be absurdly expensive or it doesnt cover anything. And it isnt subsidized unless you make below a certain amount.

So the cost estimate takes all that into account
Not to mention the poor uninsured souls who end up with 200k hospital bills and have to file bankruptcy so taxpayers end up eating those costs anyways

 

Ok, and who is going to pay for it?

 

Donald Trump ???

 

Who pays for it in Australia?

 

You have to wait until it passes to find out what's in it!

 

Well it doesnt cost us $158,000 per person

 

But the thing you have to understand about the US healthcare system is costs are exorbitantly expensive compared to other countries due to administrative costs within the insurance industry as well as, obviously, the profit motivation.
Costs would naturally fall after a while on a single payer system and our per capita costs would eventually even out to be more on par with other countries. The transition period would be expensive but worth it in the long run as eventually costs would level out.

Anyways both Warren and Sanders have outlined where the taxes would come from, just go to their respective websites.
You have to keep in mind too insurance is employer subsidized at the moment. So taxing employers for single payer isn't going to place more of a burden on them than our current insurance system does.
And the middle class could easily withstand a 5% tax hike (which is Sanders' estimate) because we wont be paying insurance premiums and deductibles and copays. Most people probably pay more than 5% of their income into healthcare right now so they'll save money.
They've both floated the idea of taxing stock market speculation. And of course the wealthiest Americans would be taxed.
The tax base is there and the US would save money in the long run. In the immediate actually, the studies both Warren and Sanders are drawing their numbers from show us saving money immediately