2020 Election

How long do you think we can really sustain endorsing this knee-jerk reactionary bullshit instead of promoting the usage of our brains? The fact that Trump uses people's irrational fears to his advantage shouldn't make us all stop and go, "Oh well we can't say this! We can't say that! We can't be this way! We can't think that way!" And it's not just Trump. The majority of the Republican party plays the same game, and we're all losing as intellectualism goes down the damned toilet, all because none of these people are capable of having an original thought.

 

Perhaps I missed it somewhere, but I've never heard you say why you are interested in US politics. I mean, I don't give two shits who your prime minister is today (might be a different one by the time you read this) so why do you care enough about the US president to keep posting here? It baffles me.

 

Trouble is, we'll get him too. What if a more moderate candidate gets the Democratic nomination. Are millennials ready to get behind such a candidate? If not, won't they deserve Trump?

He calls himself a democratic socialist, which is a kind of socialist. Are we splitting hairs? Will voters? (He isn't really a democratic socialist, he's a social democrat, but he continues to use the democratic socialist label).

 

The electoral college decides the winner, just like last time, and if they side with the minority support Donald Duck commands it will mean civil war. Unlike Donald Duck whose idea of paradise is civil war, there is no way in hell Bernie can transform the country into his personal idea of paradise.

 

They probably will, and there will be no civil war.

 

Oh no, Donald Duck's own party leaders have rejected the man, continue to reject him, and the idea the electoral college will support him a second time is flat out absurd.

 

Let's hope they keep that up. So far, the rejection is pretty limited. But he is fully capable of shooting himself in the foot. Another week like last one could cost him some votes, Schiff or Nadler could turn up a smoking gun, and a recession could very well do him in. But that's all wishful thinking. I think the Republicans will run the Donald again. Several red states have already cancelled primaries to assure he has no opposition. That's how they operate.

 

It baffles you, lol seriously?

Err because at the moment its like driving past a car wreck, you just have to look

Say what you want about Trump, but this latest one about the letter he sent to Erdogan basically telling him to grow up made me giggle

And this one from Gabbard, you just would not have seen this between two female politicians 20 years, we are past the point where we are too worried about female empowerment and two lady pollies can rip into each other like the guys can

Juicy stuff

 

Yeah, I look...for a half a second. But then I keep driving and forget about it. You stop in the middle of the road and gawk.

 

No, we're not splitting hairs. The two things are not the same.

People behave the way they're treated, unfortunately. All Americans are treated like a commodity. Popular culture has decided that, deep down, all anyone is interested in is instant gratification. If you treat people like fodder, you can't expect them to be inspired to vote. And this is not whining for the sake of being an America hater. This is a fact. Our intellect is almost ubiquitously NEVER ENGAGED.

All of this name-calling and fear-mongering is just the Republicans' game, as they have nothing to offer, and we shouldn't be playing it. Of course there should be discussions about socialism, and democratic socialism. If you've figured out that Bernie is actually a social democrat, surely others have figured this out as well. But there is no discussion. Even the debates are just instant gratification. Thirty second soundbites where each candidate tries to say something memorable and catchy. And that's POLITICS...which is supposed to be an intellectual arena. But it's not. Like everything else, it's just cheap thrills.

In my opinion all of this is intentional, albeit with dire, unforeseen consequences (because all of the money makers are too stupid to think that far into the future.) Their bottom line is to make as much money as possible. And they think they can achieve that by turning our lives into one giant advertisement.

 

I'm not splitting hairs, I'm making an important distinction.
Or do you think the difference between Cuba and...Denmark, just as an example, is as tiny as a split hair?
Nuance matters.
I know it doesnt matter to most americans. You're not really making a criticism of Sanders, you're making a criticism of the stupidity of the American people

Which is all the more reason to support him - have you seen his education plan? It's a good one. Trump supporters and all these middle americans you keep mentioning could really benefit

 

told them he was a democratic SOCIALIST. However, you are correct. Old people don't know the difference between the USSR, and Norway, but they listen to what trump tells them.

Socialism/Democratic socialism, there is no difference to the vast majority of red staters.

 

I've also said this before, but so what.
Let's say Bernie gets elected President. Where does his support come from in Congress. You know, the branch of government that controls the purse strings. How do any of his programs get passed? Especially if the repubs control the house, and senate.
How many senators/representatives support Sanders' plans? oh yeah, 2.

 

I don't know. It doesn't really matter to me. What's the alternative, a president whose policies Republicans approve of? No thanks.

 

It's a massive retirement community in Florida (that also has an escalating STD problem). See if you can spot the similarities......

 

All I am saying is it would be nice if the congress, and president worked together to get things done.

 

Nailed it.

 

This country has a much bigger problem than just who is president. We're on our way towards collapse. The writing is on the wall.

 

I think there's a major distinction between Cuba and Denmark. One is a Communist country, the other is a Social Democracy. Cuba is Socialist--undemocratic Socialist. Denmark has a welfare state and a mixed economy. Sanders is a Social Democrat who thinks he's a Democratic Socialist. A Democratic Socialist believes that a substantial portion of the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole, acting through a democratically elected government. (Think Britain under the Labour government of Clement Atlee). I'm making a criticism of both Sanders and the American people--Sanders for misusing the label Democratic Socialism, the American people for succumbing to Republican propaganda demonizing anything left of center as socialist. But we take the voters as we find them. I see no path forward for Bernie in 2020.

 

I think Warren or Sanders would be cool. I see the problem they're going to run into. But even so, honestly, just having some of those ideas discussed is a nice thing; for me anyway.

I secretly liked the way Warren reacted when asked if taxes would go up for the middle class with her plan for something or other at the last debate. She answered clearly and firmly "No!". That got me thinking. How to pay for everything she has proposed would require a massive restructuring of our tax system for starters. A really big upheaval!

And while I can't imagine that sort of thing making it through Congress, it's good to dream about.