2020 Election

LSM is going to be full of snobby elite journalists, they would no doubt underestimate Bernies reach. And the few of course arent going to be a good indication

That link anakin posted is more telling. I mean really, fast food workers are donating to Bernie?, a million plus small donors, He seems to have a pretty high proportion of those small donors

Plus you could expect a reasonable backlash to smuggness. Whether its Trump himself, or Warren or Hariss. They all come off smug

I think he is a crackpot socialist. But it seems many maybe underestimating Bernies reach.

You might be right. Bernie may be the guy

 

Maybe these people should have realized that a college education would be too expensive.
As an aside, I was listening to business owners who don't have enough workers who know carpentry, plumbing, electricity, i.e the trades.

 

All Bernie has to do is say he hates teenagers and all of the old white people will quickly forget that he is a Nazi.

 

Okay.
So Trump insults Bernie and that's somehow supposed to compare to Biden telling young people to just suck it up.
To just suck up 1.5 trillion dollars in debt that is preventing them from buying homes or making investments or starting their own businesses or moving ahead in life.
I'm not following.

This conversation isnt going anywhere.
And I think maybe even you have internalized the (perfectly fair) criticisms I've made of Biden anyways because you arent voting for him in the primaries anymore either

 

Everybody's gonna vote for Bernie.

 

This is a right wing talking point

It's incredibly obtuse to tell young people they shouldnt have gone to college when your generation spent the previous 2 decades drilling it into the heads of young people that they should go to college

Holy shit

 

Biden's the kind of guy who assumes that if everything is going well for he himself, that everything is super duper for everyone else, too. It's true. He is totally out of touch.

 

A teenager?!?!

Do you live in a at The Villages?

 

A at the Villages? I'm confused. I don't know what the Villages are. All I'm saying is that Bernie is spring fresh. Most people have a heart attack and they're out for a few weeks. Bernie's right in there. I think the whole heart attack thing was just an unfortunate anomaly. He has way more stamina than any of the other candidates, Pete Buttergieg included.

 

Bernie may be making an attempt to reach out to voters all over the country, but I think Flagme is right. A large swath of those voters are conditioned not to respond well to socialism. And as I've said before, although this or that program may benefit lots of people, if we put them all together, they spell bankruptcy in the minds of moderate voters. And while progressives may have the energy in the Democrat Party, the Dems can't do it alone. If a 79 year old Jewish humanist from Brooklyn with a heart condition representing a New England state can carry the red states of Middle America, we'll know the Apocalypse is near!

 

No democrat is going to carry those states...

 

So basically the argument is that if Trump lies and says Bernie is a socialist, Bernie will lose. I'm sure Trump won't lie about anybody else.

 

The question being, what did Bernie actually do to alienate those voters? Old people can't tell the difference between the USSR and Norway, and that's somehow Bernie's fault?

 

If middle America sits out the election because of Bernie they deserve Trump

Anyways Ty is right, no Democrat can carry a red state. It isnt going to happen.

And I'm still unclear how any of this compares to what Biden said about millenials and their student debt problem

 

By who you hate, by this are you truly known among republicans. Many of them would vote for Mini Mouse right now if she were the only alternative to Donald Duck. He has his die-hard supporters that will never vote for anyone else, but he has torn the republican party all but completely in half. Many of them will not vote at all, many will vote for whoever opposes him, but the democrats could nominate almost anyone and still win the election, because there is nothing the idiot can say now that will convince them he is even remotely sane, much less, honest. Hate is the issue, and Bernie has that in common with republicans, who may want vengeance more than anything else and are the same people who elected Obama.

Republicans insist on punishing their own people harshly, and he will never gain the support of more people than he has now. This could easily be Bernie's last chance for a presidential nomination, but the democratic party doesn't want honest government or to represent the people, they want more money for advertising, because that's all that matters anymore. Your vote no longer matters, unless you enjoy voting for whoever advertises the most and, then, voting the bums out of office. That's not politics, its a three ring circus currently run by PT Barnum and about to explode into civil war.

 

Trump won't have to lie. Bernie says he's a Socialist.

 

If they don't carry at least a couple who went for Trump last time, like Michigan, or Pennsylvania, or Wisconsin, they'll lose again.

 

Bernie labelled himself a socialist. That's probably enough. I see a replay of the '72 election. The Democrats had diversity. They reformed their convention process to increase representation of women and minorities. They made history by running a woman vice president. They had a progressive platform with a smiling prairie populist, George McGovern. And they carried one state: Massachusetts. Nixon, under fire for Watergate, won a second term. History can repeat itself. Nice guys can finish last.

 

Funny, I've never once heard Bernie say "I'm a socialist." He's talked about democratic socialism, but I guess there's no room for nuance in American politics. No understanding. Let's just be supportive of total fanaticism instead of rational intellectual discourse, and then wonder how we ever sunk so low.

No, there's no room for Bernie. He can't win. He's honest.

 

No he doesnt.