2020 Election

yeah, I agree. Let's stop supporting Israel.

 

But the Jews are our friends, because they're Jews.

 

The jews are nobody's friends unless there is something 'in it' for them !!!

 

Whoa! Blanket statements about the "perfidious Jews" harkens back to the Middle Ages and the death camps and is a pretty absurd charge to make about any category of individuals. We need to distinguish between Israelis and other Jews, and between Israelis and their government. Most governments are nobody's friends unless there is something "in it" for them. In the case of the U.S. at the present time, though, our government is nobody's friend unless there's something for Trump in it, national interest be damned!

 

Like this guy
Jonathan Pollard - Wikipedia

 

Anti-Semitic are we?

 

Curious as to why you would ask that. I was just pointing out that Israel is not the friend that the us government wants people to think it is.

 

It was the sequence of comments.
Neon: "But the Jews are our friends, because they're Jews. "
Vlad I: "The jews are nobody's friends unless there is something 'in it' for them !!!"
Me:"We need to distinguish between Israelis and other Jews, and between Israelis and their government."
You, quoting neon (re "the Jews are our friends, because they're Jews").:What about this guy?"
Yes, this guy (Pollard) is a Jew and was spying on the U.S. for the Israeli government--not something friends ordinarily do. But neither he nor the Israeli government are "The Jews". Particularly in light of the centuries old sad history of anti-Semitism, we need to be clear and careful about that distinction.

I do agree with your basic point: that our Middle East policy is partly driven by support of Israel, and is not necessarily motivated by U.S. national interest (as opposed to the political interest of both U.S. political parties in the Jewish and Evangelical vote). Sorry if I misunderstood you.

 

So, is this Trump starting a Clintonesque body count now? Does Cummings make 2???

Seems like the same timing as McCain!

 

Greta is Mother Jones reincarnated, and the women are about to show the assholes how its done!

 

I did not study socialism until high school. Before that all I could think was Russia too. I am the classic take a semester of goverment student who said "hmm we never did really try it how it's meant to be".

Even the most right wing European parties are socialist usualy. The right wing of Norway has a high tax on imports so you buy local. Norwegians on vacation love the EU since their socialist taxes are still lower in comparison. Vacations are also shopping trips. I could not even sell something on Ebay without the buyer paying tax in Scandinavia. Does that sound Republican? Trump says only buy American.

I think the issue that Regan convinced a bunch of people taxes have no purpose and that the goverment is evil. So they have no concept of how much we need tax. They take the rugged individualist cowboy image to an extreme.
Unless there is no money period and everything is just fixed or given for free we need tax. Totally free is an extreme end Communism goal. I don't think they will accept that.

 

Reagan convinced them it doesn't matter what they say or do, because the white population is the largest and most powerful by far, and they can stomp on any minority they want anyway they prefer. The result was the inevitable rise of the Libertarian party, just as soon as the Soviet Union collapsed, and the white population had no more use for cooperating with minorities in any way whatsoever. It was the Libertarians who took half a century of conservative rhetoric and distilled it down into a political party in opposition to their own republican party, insisting on pulling out all the stops. In both cases, they already had a white audience willing to adopt any rhetoric they could spout, if it meant lower taxes and the ability to attack minorities. Only now has the republican party started to fall apart, as the idiots start to realize they are about to destroy our democracy and make Donald Duck emperor for life.

 

Libertarians I knew were always the "hear both sides" kind of people related to racism. It was an edgy college thing then. Nazis were dead so it was no big deal is some white guy wanted to argue Hitler did some good things when you bring up concentration camps. The same guy hated taxes and loved his guns. It's not hard for me to see why the get along so well with Donald. Their view of a free society is Darwinism. Enough time playing nice with minorities. If I had more advantage it's because I am the alpha human.

Even then they also loved to bitch about how they as white poor/middle class men were so oppressed. They were not even born in the 50's why is their problem black guys got the hose? I don't know what to tell them. In a way you are right it's not but you also make a continuing problem when you don't see reality how it is now racially. A fish does not know it swims.

The reason most of the Republican and Libertarian voters are white is not some cultural war on independent white men. It's because what a independent white man means is allowed to mean something very pro white pro Christian anti anything else in America.

 

Libertarians and conservatives in general spout pure rhetoric, in other words, their words have no meaning to even themselves and they might as well be shouting "I Can't Hear You!" Only one in ten Americans who calls themselves a Libertarian actually shares the party definition of the term, while Donald Duck was elected against the wishes of his own party leaders, because their extreme rhetoric has transformed the entire republican party into a mindless mob. They are not infamous as hypocrites for nothing, but it goes way beyond hypocrisy to the point of being a mindless mob. Hence, AI is the future, because there's no intelligent life around here, and their own rhetoric is so nasty and blinds them so badly, it can be used to confuse the idiots and make them attack each other and pick fights they simply have no chance of winning.

They are mindless animals, and it should be possible to even present them with deep fakes and fake news they will defend to the death, as they kill themselves and each other.

 

Gabbard was unimpressive. She'll probably be leaving soon, despite her fan club among right wingers.

 

I thought it was really weird how Tulsi specifically called out Elizabeth Warren to stand beside her in pledging to end endless regime change in the middle east

Out of everyone on that stage I think Elizabeth Warren is one of the least likely to be a war hawk

 

The right wing demands blood, even if it is their own.

 

Why just the ME? Everywhere the american government finds an "enemy", it wants to change the regime. Think Cuba, Venezuela, NK, for example.

 

Tulsi calling out Elizabeth Warren was all a part of the plan, I'm sure. Got to try and move ahead in the polls. Try to make it between herself and Warren, steal some of the spotlight. It isn't going to work, though.