2020 Election

That's why they're called centrists. They'll never do or support anything that challenges the status quo or neoliberal order. (And I'm not saying bernie is anything other than a centerist either.)

 

Bernie faces the dilemma that Trump has taken over one of his main issues: economic protectionism. Infrastructure is an issue that Trump also pays lip service to, although he hasn't begun to get around to it. Another issue, which I think is major but is hard to sell to the U.S. voter is repeal of Citizens United v. FEC. That would be a big step toward getting secret money out of our election campaigns, but it's not the sort of thing Joe Sixpax can get excited about. The $15 minimum wage has been adopted by California, Illinois, Massachustts, New Jersey and new York City, and was accepted by his primary opponent in 2016: Hillary. So it's no longer unique. Free college tuition is still a draw, as is Medicare for All, which Elizabeth Warren's has jumped aboard His call for a more progressive income tax is simply returning to the status quo ante. I really think Bernie would be better off ditching the Socialist label, since it's inaccurate and scares people. He's not nearly as radical as he makes out, and is better described as a Social Democrat.

 

I agree 100%.

 

Wait, he supports the $15 minimum wage? That's hilarious! That's not even classified as a living wage anymore.

 

Bernie doesnt call himself a socialist though, he calls himself a democratic socialist which is the same thing as a social democrat. The media and right wingers are the ones who gave him the label of socialist

I understand Americans dont often do well with nuance though, so the difference between a socialist and democratic socialist can be confusing for some

 

Bernie should just call himself a Republican. What difference does it make at this point.

 

So many of the pundits seem to oppose Bernie. The media seems to love hating Bernie. They only use him to get ratings. They seem shy about support for him. It's like they would rather question his loyalty than discuss what is factual and prosperous.

 

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I don't think a democratic socialist is the same thing as a social democrat.
http://factmyth.com/factoids/bernie-sanders-is-a-social-democrat-not-a-democratic-socialist/
"The major difference between social democracy and democratic socialism is the object of their politics: contemporary social democrats support a welfare state and unemployment insurance as a means to "humanise" capitalism, whereas democratic socialists seek to replace capitalism with a socialist economic system, arguing that any attempt to "humanise" capitalism through regulations and welfare policies would distort the market and create economic contradictions". David Schweickart, (2006). "Democratic Socialism". Encyclopedia of Activism and Social Justice; Socialism - Wikipedia Socialism entails collective distribution of the means of production, distribution and exchange, not just welfare state reforms. "Sanders is not a typical socialist. Sure, he believes in a highly regulated and heavily taxed private enterprise, but he does not seem to want the state to own banks and make cars. Considering the negative connotations of 'socialism' in America, it is a bit of a puzzle why Sanders insists on using that word. It would be much less contentious and more correct if he gave his worldview its proper name: not 'democratic socialism,' which implies socialism brought about through a vote, but social democracy." Bernie Is Not a Socialist and America Is Not Capitalist
Next question : Is Bernie Sanders a Democrat? (large"D")

 

In any case, Bernie doesn't call himself a socialist. He always makes the distinction. And he seems to be basing it off of models of other countries where it works.

Here in America we celebrate selfishness, though. It's okay to call yourself a capitalist, even though in essence what that means is only looking out for numero uno. We love self-absorbed people in America. It's an uphill battle for every American who isn't self-absorbed, because we're born and bred to be that way.

 

That's what I understood too, yes. Not the democratic socialist part though (i just don't know about that, and didn't know how it differs from social democrat either)

My understanding exactly.

 

Replace Bernie with Trump

 

They do better with ignorance.

 

Trumps loyalty to his wallet?

 

Bernie Sanders had security forcefully remove Infowars reporter Kaitlin Bennett from his rally before it even began. Dang, he should've used this security muscle back when 2 obnoxious BLM chicks rushed the stage and stole his mic.

When I see how he treats dissenting opinions, it seems apparent that a President Sanders would likely run this country like any other communist dictator. The DNC rigging the election and blaming it on Russia was a blessing in disguise.

 

"The DNC rigging the election and blaming it on Russia." Man, I don't know how you come up with that stuff. Please explain how the DNC rigged the election----

 

Let me rephrase: Rigged the primaries.

 

Alrighty then. Well, at least Clinton is not in sight. Hoping for Bernie myself. But even the old line democrats are too conservative for my taste.

 

Bernie and Warren would be my choice---it's time to shake up this oligarchical , rigged imitation of democracy.

 

That's like saying the National Enquirer should get a press pass too

 

Just in case you choose to forget...