2019-nCoV Coronovirus (COVID-19]

I think that you are slightly missing my first 3 points.
Since flue is not notifiable in all those deaths in the age range where most people die, their deaths are recorded as the UNDERLYING reason, many of which are cancers.
Since covid is the current virus involved and is notifiable, it is being blamed for the otherwise fairly normal deaths.

Since a virus is INVOLVED in 95% of ALL deaths, it does not make covid the REASON for them.
The result is your second bar chart getting closer to ALL deaths for the age groups.

We need to see the figures for ALL deaths in 2020 and compare then with precious years during the last decade. Only then will we see the difference that covid has made.

Looking at THAT statistic will also highlight that to some extent the newness of viruses in different years, has influenced the figures.
In 2016 and 19, mortality rates were low. But they were high in 2015, 17 and 18.
It is a very complex subject that only a small number of leading doctors specializing in disease and virus control can rationalize.

 

No, I didn't know that. Does it make the evidence less credible?

 

this one might be interesting. -


It looks like the numbers along the bottom are weeks of the year; probably to accommodate early CoViD-19 data that can't accurately be stated annually.

It looks like the mortality peak for the 17/18 flu season was particularly high.

 

Yes it does

 

ok, but did you see the new one? It's from our CDC this time.

Here it is again:




The real problematic factor is that it's way higher than flu (mortality), but maybe we should even take the flu more seriously. 10% is bad enough, and wearing a mask is a small price to pay. I don't mind if we keep doing it this way, actually.

The real problem is restaurants that want their tables back!

 

Just remember it was OUR CDC that sent out tainted tests from the get go so...........
However I am in agreement that the mortality rate is higher then the flu BUT the response and data is so tainted and messed up we may never know the truth

 

Ok, but that one says, by the end of May Covid was down below your worst recent flu figures

 

true. I don't know what accounts for that peak, but it does seem like an unusually high, figure. The low tail seems to be alongside the numbers for flu. But the peak is much much higher than that for the worst recent/comparable flu year in 17/18. That's weird! A lot of people die is my conclusion.

 

China has only recorded 2 Covid deaths since April 18th

That's highly suspicious

 

I have checked the official mortality figures figures for the UK.
Total deaths to date in 2020 are showing an increase of around 280 per day over 2019, (a very low year) and 180 over 2018, (their was a flue outbreak that year).
While this is worrying, it is nothing near as serious as some of the 'scaremongers' are leading us to believe.
Some of the 750 cancer deaths per day may also have been counted twice in the interim figures ending in September.

 

I think that's a misnomer if I'm honest...

You're discrediting them? Sounds to me like the concerns are well founded.

Is there a chart for the figures you're quoting? I'd be very surprised to learn that the entirety of the United Kingdom is overreacting for no important reason or something. I'd honestly be taken aback to learn that's the case!

I think that although you may have feelings about the measures being taken, there's plenty of truth to what's being said.

Scaremongers? I doubt that...

 

I dont doubt it at all as a matter of fact I fully support the assertion here in fla EVERYDAY the death count is repeated several times and its not that high we had 15 on 10/6 and 7 on 10/7 thats news?? 7 people probably died from old age, car crashes, cancer, heart attack, Alzheimer's etc but thats not in the news, its scare tactics to support the over/under/stupid action that our failing government has taken/not taken

 

I understood Florida to be one of the absolute worst scenarios for CoViD-19.

I remember reading about how completely awful it was and that people just kept right on going down to the beach.


Are we talking about the same state? I feel like a fool, because I do doubt you but your communication skills suggest someone who is of above average intelligence.

Where are Florida's numbers 'so low' that there's no cause for concern? Am I asking a lot to ask to see it? I hope I'm not. And wasn't the governor criticized for the infections?



I just think that anyone who believes that there's this hidden agenda to make people afraid has been honest to goodness duped.

It's no laughing matter - people are dying. It's a very infectious situation.

 

It's just getting ridiculous here

The state of Victoria, Australia; the Premier is talking about extending the lockdown when they are listing daily cases in the teens 14 yesterday, no deaths for 3 days. This has been on and off for 7 months

Coronavirus Australia live: Victoria, Qld, NSW COVID-19 updates

Still not a single soul in the mainstream media asking that simplest of questions: What the fuck is the plan? How many years you going to do this for? Only for cases to spike again as soon as you let in international travellers, next year or the year after

 

Several regions sound alarm as US reports most Covid-19 daily cases in nearly 2 months

Updated 2:19 AM ET, Sat October 10, 2020

Just as the US reported the highest number of daily Covid-19 infections in nearly two months, several experts offered grim outlooks if Americans don't take the right precautions.

Florida, which over the summer became the country's hotspot, is "ripe for another large outbreak," an infectious disease expert told CNN.

Late last month, the state cleared the way for bars and restaurants to fully reopen and this week reported more than 6,000 cases over a two day-period.

 

That last table that you posted was simply the number or deaths where a virus was mentioned on the death certificate as being INVOLVED. during the patients final hours.
The huge peak at the end was simply due to more doctors mentioning it due to the pressures of the epidemic It gave the false impression that tripling the number of reports was tripling the mortality rates. The chart is purely about the affects of viruses on mortality and nothing about overall death rates.

2018 was shown as 10.9%.......... Where has this gone in the official statistics of PRIMARY cause of death in that year.???????

Leading cause of death by age group and sex in England and Wales, 2018

Males % of male deaths
All ages Ischaemic heart diseases 13.2
1 to 4 Congenital malformations, deformations and chromosomal abnormalities 12.6
5 to 19 Suicide and injury/poisoning of undetermined intent 16.6
20 to 34 Suicide and injury/poisoning of undetermined intent 25.9
35 to 49 Accidental poisoning 12.5
50 to 64 Ischaemic heart diseases 17.3
65 to 79 Ischaemic heart diseases 14.8
80+ Dementia and Alzheimer disease 15.1

Females % of female deaths
All ages Dementia and Alzheimer disease 16.7
1 to 4 Congenital malformations, deformations and chromosomal abnormalities 15.9
5 to 19 Suicide and injury/poisoning of undetermined intent 12.3
20 to 34 Suicide and injury/poisoning of undetermined intent 15.6
35 to 49 Malignant neoplasm of breast 12.6
50 to 64 Malignant neoplasm of breast 10.1
65 to 79 Malignant neoplasm of trachea, bronchus and lung 10.1
80+ Dementia and Alzheimer disease 23.6

Source: Office for National Statistics

This is the first time that I have looked at this chart...... It was the suicide statistic that shocked me, although this included accidental drug related deaths.

 

This is the official table of our 2020 deaths, compared with a 5 year average
The rise equates to 2.6%.

Table 1: The number of deaths registered was above the five-year average in the majority of the English regions and Wales
Number of deaths in Wales and the regions in England, registered week ending 25 September 2020
Region name Number of
deaths Five-year
average Difference Percentage
above average
South East 1,521 1,426 95 6.7
Yorkshire and The Humber 965 909 56 6.2
West Midlands 1036 984 52 5.3
East Midlands 825 794 31 3.9
North East 514 497 17 3.4
South West 1041 1011 30 3.0
Wales 617 604 13 2.2
North West 1271 1270 1 0.1
London 869 872 -3 -0.3
East 963 980 -17 -1.7
Source: Office for National Statistics - Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales

 

Here's another one CDC just snuck out that says surges in the South and West United states were happening before stay at home orders were lifted and that in the South it correlated strongly with infections of people under 24yrs, but in the Midwest and west did not

Transmission Dynamics by Age Group in COVID-19 ...

 

Have a look for yourself the whole thing is a bad joke
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