2019-nCoV Coronovirus (COVID-19]

You know me.

If my parents die, fisherman, myself..
I stand by my view.

 

Of course, every individual can take measures to protect themselves. Shutting down the world like this..

I have more sympathy with the suicides of healthy young people who can't cope with the stress of no money, no job, no food. It's insane.

 

I also think its too high. I would love if we had far less people on this planet. Do I see this situation as a good opportunity to work on that? No.
Many old will die regardless in this crisis wether society makes an effort or not. So we make an effort for several reasons: 1) to not let other old people needlessly die (while they could still live 20 years in happy circumstances), 2) to not let them go in dehumanized conditions (shoveling them in a truck like in NYC. No funerals, no visits in your last days). And 3 but not least) to help the health care personnel and system bear it as well as possible.

 

FEWER people. Not less.
But yeah, and you want this.. How?
How is it ever going to happen without something killing a great number of us?
Because people sure as fuck don't want to stop breeding.

Not saying we don't take steps to protect vulnerable people.. But we are putting more lives at risk with these measures than reducing the risk for.

 

This too
If we go into a world wide depression lives will be lost ten fold
It will be bad
There has to be a balance. First world governments have the resources to tap into to strike that balance

 

I don't see him mention anywhere that it's permanent but we ARE living in a police state.

 

I'm in touch with reality. We are already getting fewer old people. I don't want to 'work on that issue' by not locking partially down. I for one am glad our societies do this.

It's basically like theorizing about a world without borders. I can get behind the ideal, but don't see the point in making it an active talking point in the current situation or in discussions about topical issues

 

I do wonder if we'll just have to get used to death though.
We cant just shut down the economy forever.
And what if this just comes back every year

Humans used to be more comfortable with death. Modern medicine and vaccines changed that

 

I'm not living in a police state now because of the lockdown.

 

And as we developed those things, we had to also develop a different style of living, where having children etc wasn't something everyone did. But we have carried on living like a species that has to work to ensure its survival.

 

You can't even have a decent funeral in many places atm. If you are dying on a corona IC you can't even have visitors in many instances. There are too many deaths at once. So it's not only that we're not comfortable with death anymore, or that we're not used to so much people dying due to a infection disease (much much more common in the past), it's also that we are obstructed atm in dealing comfortably with death of loved ones.

 

This one really gets me
I cant think of a more helpless feeling than someone I love suffering alone

 

I was about to go on a curse filled rant in response to your first post but based on the subsequent posts, I think you grasp varying perspectives and essentially said more eloquently what I was going to.

 

Jobs are not lives. If I misinterpreted what you mean here, maybe explain what you mean with that we are putting more lives at risk with these measures than they will save.

But also keep in mind: these measures are not only about saving lifes, but also simply about dealing with it the best way possible. If everybody got infected in the same weeks we would see really horrible examples of human behavior in crisis situations. Hoarding TP would be nothing in comparison

 

I dunno what about my first post would inspire a curse filled rant though.

Shutting down an economy is one thing. Asking young people to sacrifice their social lives for a couple of months and expecting them to understand who they're protecting by complying is another thing entirely.

But yes, I see this on many different levels.

I really started taking the importance of self quarantining seriously when a family member of mine was told in no uncertain terms by their doctor that they would die if they caught this because they have an auto immune disease. His wife still has to go out and do their shopping, go to work, etc so even though he's quarantined it's not like anyone can ever completely shut themselves away from the world. Which is why it's important for those who arent at risk to be considerate of spreading it to those who are at risk.

But I also have friends and family on unemployment right now with no clue if they'll be able to go back to their jobs.

I dont think anyone really has the right answers

 

My brother lost his side job and only getting part time at his main job and he said when he initially tried to file for unemployment, he basically couldn't get a hold of anyone.

 

DOJ: Engineer derailed train near USNS Mercy to 'wake people up'

 

Is this inaccurate or just not enforced?


All saunas, sex clubs, sport schools and marijuana coffee shops were also ordered to close at 6pm (5pm GMT) Sunday evening


Netherlands becomes latest country to go into lockdown in battle against coronavirus Comment All schools, cafes, restaurants and sports clubs will be closed in the Netherlands to stop the spread of coronavirus. The Dutch government decided on Sunday to lockdown the country after holding crisis meetings, according to national broadcaster NOS.


The Netherlands has reported eight more deaths due to the coronavirus, taking the total to 20. The Dutch National Institute for Public Health (RIVM) said the number of infections had risen by 176 to 1,135.

The restrictions will remain in place until at least April 6, Education Minister Arie Slob said in a press conference.

Healthcare Minister Bruno Bruins said additional measures were likely. He said: ‘I am certain these will not be our last measures, the situation keeps developing very rapidly and we will keep deciding on further measures based on the knowledge of experts. ‘I cannot speculate on what measures these will be, but it is clear that more will follow.’

 

Sex club and gym is closed here. They were open before the order went into place, but since I regular the gym and sauna I warned them ahead of time.. They closed on a Wednesday instead of Friday.

 

I nor you live in a police state BECAUSE of these exceptional but temporary emergency measures. We either already lived in one before those measures, or you should acknowledge we're in an exceptional crisis situation and the emergency measures taken because of it are temporary and enforced with fines etc. only because certain folks rather risk spreading the virus than do their 2 cents. If all people actually placed the lifes and wellbeing of their fellow humans above their own income security, these safety measures wouldn't even need to be enforced