2012

Yup.. well commercial tv anyway.
Watched an episode of big brother once.
Had to retreat to 'my' place, which douglas adams calls
'outside the asylum'

Occam

 

Themnax

The world wont go the 1984 path..not enough 'profit/position'
by that it is meant.. technological and power based.

Give the proles more than just sex/music and drink.
Give them dreams [ but only let them realise the smallest ones]
And they will give u technology to allow u to live forever.

Systematic specialisation of society

Occam

 

I'll bet anyone here $50 the world doesn't end in 2012

 

I live in a very small town, & everyone here seems to beleive this is true.

I've grown up beleiving it.

 

well diversity won't ever let everything be all one way, but it does seem to have gotten a bit too close for comfort.

by 2012 i expect people to have gotten tired enough of it for some other way to be going.

the big things usualy don't chainge all at once, but i'm always curious to see what things will actualy chainge when. always hopeful to see chainges in ways that are both positive and interesting.

i think i would get a good laugh out of it if the dollar colapsed or the oil ran out or something.

though not at the human misery of the usual disasters that we've already got anyway.

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1986 Continental Indigenous Council,
Fairbanks, Alaska By Lee Brown, Cherokee
There was the cycle of the mineral, the rock. There was the cycle of the plant. And now we are in the cycle of the animal coming to the end of that and beginning the cycle of the human being. When we get into the cycle of the human being, the highest and greatest powers that we have will be released to us.

At the beginning of this cycle of time, long ago, the Great Spirit made an appearance and gathered the peoples of this earth together, and said to the human beings. "I'm going to send you to four directions and over time I¹m going to change you to four colors. I'm going to give you some teachings, and you will call these the Original Teachings; when you come back together with each other, you will share these so that you can live and have peace on Earth, and a great civilization will come about. During the cycle of time, I'm going to give each of you two stone tablets. When I give you those stone tablets, don't cast them upon the ground. If any of the sisters and brothers cast their tablets on the ground, not only will human beings have a hard time, but almost the earth itself will die."

And so He gave each of us a responsibility, and we call that the Guardianship.

To the Indian people, the red people, He gave the Guardianship of the Earth. We are to learn during this cycle of time the teachings of the Earth; the plants that grow from the Earth; the foods that you can eat, and the herbs that heal. Then, when we came back together with the other sisters and brothers, we could share this knowledge with them. Something good was to happen on the Earth.

To the South He gave the yellow race of people the Guardianship of the Wind. They were to learn about the sky and breathing and how to take that within ourselves for spiritual advancement. They were to share that with us at this time.

To the West He gave the black race of people the Guardianship of the Water. They were to learn the teachings of the water, which is the chief of the elements, being the most humble and the most powerful. The elders have told me that the black people would bring the teachings of the water.

To the North He gave the white race of people the Guardianship of the Fire. If you look at the center of many of the things they do, you will find the fire. They say a light bulb is the white man's fire. If you look at the center of a car you will find a spark. If you look at the center of the airplane and the train you will find the fire. The fire consumes, and also moves. This is why it was the white sisters and brothers who began to move upon the face of the earth and reunite us as a human family.

And so a long time passed, and the Great Spirit gave each of the four races two stone tablets. Ours are kept at the Hopi Reservation in Arizona at Four Corners Area on Third Mesa. I talked to people from the black race, and their stone tablets are at the foot of Mount Kenya. They are kept by the Kukuyu Tribe. I was at an Indian spiritual gathering about 15 years ago.

A medicine man from South Dakota put a beaded medicine wheel in the middle of the gathering. It had the four colors from the four directions; he asked the people, "Where is this from?" They said, "Probably Montana, or South Dakota, maybe Saskatchewan." He said, "This is from Kenya." It was beaded just like ours, with the same colors.

The stone tablets of the yellow race of people are kept by the Tibetans. If you went straight through the Hopi Reservation to the other side of the world, you would come out in Tibet. The Tibetan word for sun is the Hopi word for moon, and the Hopi word for sun is the Tibetan word for moon.

The guardians of the traditions of the people of Europe are the Swiss. In Switzerland, they still have a day when each family brings out its mask. They still know the colors of the families, and they still know the symbols, some of them. Each of these four peoples happen to live in the mountains.

Each of the four races went to their directions and learned their teachings. It was in Newsweek not long ago that eight out of ten foods that people eat on the earth are developed here in the western hemisphere because that is our Guardianship -- to learn the teachings of the earth and the things that grow from the Earth. We were given a sacred handshake to demonstrate, when we came back together as sisters and brothers, that we still remember the teachings.

It was indicated on the stone tablets that the Hopis had that the first sisters and brothers who would come back to them would come as turtles across the land. They would be human beings, but they would come as turtles. So when the time came close, the Hopis were at a special village to welcome the turtles that would come across the land.

They got up in the morning and looked out at the sunrise. They looked out across the desert, and they saw the Spanish conquistadores coming, covered in armor, like turtles across the land. So this was them. So they went out to the Spanish man, and they extended their hand, hoping for the handshake. But into the hand the Spanish man dropped a trinket. And so word spread throughout North America that there was going to be a hard time, that maybe some of the brothers and sisters had forgotten the sacredness of all things and all the human beings were going to suffer for this on the Earth.

So tribes began to send people to the mountains to have visions to try to figure out how they could survive. At that time there were 100,000 cities in the Mississippi Valley alone, called the mound civilization: cities built on great mounds. Those mounds are still there. They began to try to learn to live off the land because they knew a hard time was going to come. They began to send people to have visions to see how we could survive this time. They were told in the prophecies that we should try to remind all the people that would come here of the sacredness of all things. If we could do that, then there would be peace on Earth. But if we did not do that, if we had not come together as a human family, the Great Spirit would grab the earth with His hand and shake it.

The elders on the west coast prophesied that they would then begin to build a black ribbon. And on this black ribbon there would move a bug. And when you begin to see this bug moving on the land, that was the sign for the First Shaking of the Earth. The First Shaking of the Earth would be so violent that this bug would be shaken off the earth into the air and it would begin to move and fly in the air. And by the end of this shaking this bug will be in the air around the world. Behind it would be a trail of dirt and eventually the whole sky of the entire earth would become dirty from these trails of dirt, and this would cause many diseases that would get more and more complicated. So the bug moving on the land, of course it¹s easy to see now. In 1908 the Model-T Ford was mass-produced for the first time. So the elders knew the First Shaking of the Earth was about to come about -- that was the First World War.

In the First World War the airplane came into wide usage for the first time. That was that bug moving into the sky. And so they knew something very important would happen. There would be an attempt to make peace on earth on the west coast of this land, and so the elders began to watch for this. They began to hear that there was going to be a League of Nations in San Francisco, so the elders gathered in Arizona around 1920 or so, and they wrote a letter to Woodrow Wilson. They asked if the Indian people could be included in the League of Nations.

The United States Supreme Court had held that a reservation is a separate and semi-sovereign nation, not a part of the United States but protected by it. This became a concern because people didn¹t want the reservations to become more and more separate. They didn¹t want them to be considered nations. So they did not write back, and the Native people were left out of the League of Nations so that circle was incomplete. In the League of Nations circle there was a southern door, the yellow people; there was a western door, the black people; there was a northern door, the white people; but the eastern door was not attended. The elders knew that peace would not come on the Earth until the circle of humanity is complete, until all the four colors sat in the circle and shared their teachings, then peace would come on earth.

So they knew things would happen. Things would speed up a little it. There would be a cobweb built around the earth, and people would talk across this cobweb. When this talking cobweb, the telephone, was built around the earth, a sign of life would appear in the east, but it would tilt and bring death (the swastika of the Nazis). It would come with the sun. But the sun itself would rise one day, not in the east but in the west (the rising sun of the Japanese Empire).

So the elders said, "When you see the sun rising in the east, and you see the sign of life reversed and tilted in the east, you will know that the Great Death is to come upon the earth. Now is when the Great Spirit will grab the earth again in His hand and shake it, and this shaking will be worse than the first."

So the sign of life reversed and tilted, we call that the Swastika, and the rising sun in the east was the Rising Sun of Japan. These two symbols are carved in stone in Arizona. When the elders saw these two flags, they knew that these were the signs that the earth was to be shaken again.

The worse misuse of the Guardianship of the fire is called the gourd of ashes. They said the gourd of ashes will fall from the air. It will make the people like blades of grass in the prairie fire, and things will not grow for many seasons. The atomic bomb, the gourd of ashes, it was the best-kept secret in the history of the US. The elders wanted to speak about it in 1920.

They would have spoken of it and foretold its coming if they could have entered into the League of Nations. The elders tried to contact President Roosevelt to ask him not to use the gourd of ashes because it would have a great effect on the earth and eventually cause even greater destruction and a the Third Shaking of the Earth, the Third World War.

So they knew after the Second Shaking of the Earth when they saw the gourd of ashes fall from the sky, there would be an attempt to make peace on the other side of this land. And because the peace attempt on the west coast had failed, they would build a special house on the east coast of this Turtle Island, and all the nations and peoples of the Earth would come to this house, and it would be called the House of Mica, and it would shine like the mica on the desert shines.

So the elders began to see they were building the United Nations made out of glass that reflects like the mica on the desert so they knew this was the House of Mica, and all the peoples of the earth should go to it. So they met and talked about this. They said that in the 1920's they had written and they had not been responded to, so they said this time we¹d better go to the front door of the House of Mica because things might get a lot worse.

So elders representing a number of tribes drove to New York City. When the United Nations opened, they went to the front door of the house of Mica and they said these words, "We represent the indigenous people of North America, and we wish to address the nations of the Earth. We're going to give you four days to consider whether or not we will be allowed to speak."

They retreated to one of the Six Nations Reserves in New York State. Four days later they came back, and I believe the nations of the earth heard that the Indians had come to the door. And they voted to let the Indians in. They wanted to hear what they had to say. But the United States is one of five nations of the United Nations with a veto power, and still they were concerned because this time the Native sovereignty was even stronger. And I believe they vetoed the entrance of the Native people.

So then they knew other things would happen on the Earth. So they retreated to the Six Nations Reserve, and they talked about this, and they said the time is really getting close now -- 1949. They said, "We're going to divide the United States into four sections, and each year we¹re going to have a gathering. We¹re going to call these the White Roots of Peace Gatherings."

They began to have these around 1950. And they authorized certain people to speak in English for the first time about these prophecies.

One that I used to listen to many times, over and over, was Thomas Banyaca. He was authorized to speak in English about what was on the stone tablets, and he has dedicated his life to doing this. And they began to tell us at these gatherings, "You're going to see a time in your lifetime when the human beings are going to find the blueprint that makes us."

They call that now DNA, deoxyribonucleic acid. They said, "They're going to cut this blueprint."

They call that now genetic splicing. And they said they're going to make new animals upon the Earth, and they're going to think these are going to help us. And it's going to seem like they do help us. But maybe the grandchildren and great-grandchildren are going to suffer.

The elders said long ago, "They will release these things, and they will use them." This is going to be released not too long from now. They are making new animals. The elders talked about this. "You will see new animals, and even the old animals will come back, animals that people thought had disappeared. They will find them here and there. They¹ll begin to reappear."

"You're going to see a time when the eagle will fly its highest in the night, and it will land upon the moon. And at that time, many of the Native people will be sleeping, which symbolically means they have lost their teachings. We're at that time now. The Eagle has landed on the moon, 1969. When that spaceship landed, they sent back the message, "The Eagle has landed."

Traditionally, Native people from clear up in the Inuit region have shared with us this prophecy, clear down to the Quechuas in South America.

At this time you're going to see that things will speed up, that people on the Earth will move faster and faster. Grandchildren will not have time for grandparents. Parents will not have time for children. It will seem like time is going faster and faster. The elders advised us that, as things speed up, you yourself should slow down. The faster things go, the slower you go. Because there"s going to come a time when the Earth is going to be shaken a third time. The Great Spirit has shaken the Earth two times: the First and Second World Wars to remind us that we are a human family, to remind us that we should have greeted each other as brothers and sisters. We had a chance after each shaking to come together in a circle that would have brought peace on earth, but we missed that.

 

^^very interesting..my father worked on the navajo reservation in arizona as a school psychologist. he learned a lot from the people and has discussed certain similar beliefs they held. heres a link to a site that has info on 2012 and time acceleration as well as other topics. http://www.unexplainable.net/artman/publish/article_870.shtml

 

i will write my opinion later, BUT WHO THE FUCK IS OCCAM ?

 

if something worth recognition does happen in 2012 for a reason other than humans exterminating themselves.....then the human race will finnally (more likely than not) know the truth of our existance......or find out something verry important....such as intellegent life watching us or something....

religion....aliens....spiritual chaos????

i cant wait.........but i really hope peacful aliens or something show themselves and introduce us to neuclear fusion ect ect....and help is wuth the earths magnetic feild revursing.....(before we all die from the suns radiation......well....some of us might live 8\)

 

i think december 2012 will just be another day in the life. We might experience some form of an odd calamity (un-natural weather, etc) but we are already seeing that today. There is way too much about this world that we do not understand. And as for people foreseeing the future, well thats just either incredible or impossible. You decide lol.

 

The secrets of the mayan calendar have already been revealed guys and gals. And its probably the most important information you will ever find in your life.

These videos are probably the fastest way to get up to speed on the topic of the Mayan Calendar.

Ian Lungold - Mayan Calendar videos -
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=mayan+calendar
http://www.torrentspy.com/search.asp?h=&query=mayan+calendar&submit.x=0&submit.y=0

 

always in motion is the future.

we can plot trends

we can also chainge them

and then sometimes things pop up unexpectedly that motivate us to

but that doesn't happen so often as to keep us from having a pretty good idea

right now we are dominatied by political opportunists who find making wars convenient to them

and people in the powerful nations let them get away with this, expecting perhpse themselves to get something out of it
but for how long when enough people realize all they ARE getting out of it is a kick in the teeth?

2012 is an election year, and elections and election years are often credited with signifigant chainges even if they don't really deserve to be.

not the next election but the one after the next.

the one people always hope will somehow magicly chainge what they want anyone but themselves to chainge in order to

one by which people may actualy have chainged themselves though
perhapse by seeing some of the connections so many are still trying to deny
and by that i don't mean some kind of belief mumbo jumbo though

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Also,

2012 - The Future of Humankind

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8545585184878490822&q=michael+tsarion

 

The calendar is only a convention. It ends, so what, time will still go on. Think about the Jews who are now in the year 7000 and something.

 

I honestly don't know that much about the Mayan calendar. But it is my understanding that the end of the Mayan clanedar in 2012 doesn't represent the end of the world, but rather "the end of the world as we know it" It marks a new age, the beginning of a new cycle in which things will be different in some way.
I do know that I've felt a sense of purpose in my life since I was 14 (summer of 1984). A knowing that I'm here to help people survive the Change. I haven't known what that will entail, but have felt it strongly driving my life at various times.
Lately, I've some across a lot of things that have helped me to envision what that Change will entail. First is peak oil. Yeah I've been slammed in Hip forums before for spouting nonsense on this subject. But look at recent events, does it seem like nonsense anymore. With oil prices topping $70/barrel, don't you think they'd be pumping just as much as they could. I think they are, and it's no longer enough to keep ahead of demand. I mean, really, less than a year ago, the media were having fits about oil getting over $40/barrel for the first time. Face it people, civilization is running out of cheap, abundant energy. Second is global warming. Heck, even the prez pulled his head out of his hiney enough to admit we gotta start doing something to curb CO2 emmissions in his last state of the union message. With glaciers melting at an astonishing rate, sea levels are going to rise dramatically. Global warming is believed to make storms stronger which could wreak havoc on those costal cities that are at a lower elevation relative to sea level. And our civilization doesn't seem to be able to keep it's promises to its minions. I mean, really, when the most powerful nation in the world cannot help its own citizens when disaster strikes... I believe the (lack of) response to Katrina reveals some major cracks in the foundation of civilization.
It seems entirely possible that any one of these, a combination there of, or possibly something I haven't foreseen could very well bring civilization crashing down around our ears. And relatively soon. Almost certainly before I'm a gramma. If what I see coming is true, then hold onto your teeth, cause it will be chaos and horror when people are suddenly confronted with a situation they'd never comprehended COULD happen. And it'll get ugly when, without transport networks to bring food into population centers, human overpopulation corrects itself.
Hmm. ok perhaps I'm overreacting. I am currently working things so I can cut and run if things start falling apart. But I'm also ensuring that if I'm wrong and things continue more or less as they are I'm providing for myself and my descendents to survive in civilization too.
To me the end of civilization represents freedom. Freedom from wage slavery, freedom from fear of what gov't agencies might do to me if they ever notice me, freedom to actually be HUMAN. Freedom to live in harmony with the land without risking losing my child because I am not providing "properly" for her. ...for now, I'll continue threading the needle and hoping that my gut instinct is true...

"the same people warning us against those are the people warning us against 2012" Uh, actually, I've never been a consipiracy therorist or doomsday nut, I've never bought into any other predictions of the end (Y2K etc.) But I am getting rather nervous about the course I see events taking in the here and now.

 

no you're not over reacting at all. global warming and peak oil are quite real.

and political opportunists treating war like it was a toy, with complete disreguard for human suffering is also a reality we are already living with.

yes there will likely be unpleasantness in lowland urban areas

the whole concept of monetary economics might well collapse too.

but remember, whatever happens with all of that, there will be survivors enough to restart the species. as for civilization, perhapse you are refering to the thin veneer of illusions people are emotionaly attatched to comforting themselves with.

diversity being the nature of reality is something far more stable and real and in its own odd way, comforting too, at least to me.

all of these things are not in the nature of something that a bell tolls somewhere and they happen all at once

civilization is something that will be created a few decades or centuries hence when people are forced to realize how much they depend on their environment and each other.

what i would consider making the most sense as an individual to deal with these eventualities is to get youreslf into a stable situation in a smaller community away from low elevations, coastlines, and urban concentrations, but where it might still be possible, when the times comes, to grow much of what you need to survive and be able to hunt and gather the rest.

by all means enjoy whatever comforts you actualy use, just don't be too emotionaly attatched to dependence on them.

and once you find that way to live in that small town up in the hills, really get to know every dear trail and unobvious path in your surroundings. and make friends with the spiritness of the land itself you find there.

really get to know your surroundings, as far as you can walk and walk back in a day in all directions.

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I have watched this video and think it very interesting. I think what he says about us in ancient history not having egos could very well be true. And i think 2012 energies might possibly cause us to no longer think with our ego mind but our subconscious(far more powerful mind), or rather our total consciousness. Some might say we will connect with our "Higher Self". Armagedon means something like reveiling or unveiling, and i think that my suggestion would effectively unveil alot of things. From what i have read of Hopi texts and/or prophecy there currently are 4 elements we are conscious of Fire Water Earth and Air IIRC, they say soon we will have a 5th...Ether(intelligent energy which permeates everything i reckon). Jesus was quoted as saying(paraphrased) "These things i do ye can do And More!". This suggests to me after this shift in consciousness "Magical" type abilities will be commonplace. We will be able to heal, resurrect the dead(prolly death wont even be possible... like in a dream where you may feel pain from a injury, but it is only imagined pain, as soon as your awareness forgets or moves away from the injury its as tho it never happened), walk on water And More! It will be as tho we are walking around in a collective Lucid Dream. Our very enviroment will bend to our will. BUT there will be major global clensing i thinking, because imagine the havoc the average person today would cause just by his unmastered mind, people who arent centered and let their ego run their lives would cause subconscious chaos around them. I do think some will be unable to let go of the beloved egos, and it will be these people who will be what is "cleansed" or destroyed and sent or transfered to another planet similar to our current one as it is now.

Please dont think this is the only thing i think might possibly happen or that i think its the absolute truth or anything. It just meshes together many different sources of 2012 information(Maya Calendar date, Egypt timeline in the pyramid, Hopi prophecy, etc.) into just one of prolly many possibilities.
Peace

 

Sometimes I think that the world may come to an end any moment. But we'd rather not think about this.
We never can tell.
I think however that 2012 is like 2000 - I mean, it's only like panicking people for nothing.

 

this age that ends in 2012 ad had a beginning , right ? that year was 3114 bc .