2012

I think you're arguing with your own passion here.

 

These conspiracies are very anthropocentric driven. I think people who ascribe to these ideas want to believe the universe is specifically ordered to the whims of mankind. Perhaps the idea of finality provides some comfort too, like they were witness to the entire unfolding of the mystery.

Terence Mckenna was very observant when he suggested the availability of information on the internet would facilitate a growing interest in ancient cultures. However, I think he fell subject to this conspiratorial anthropocentric thinking as well with his timewave zero 'theory'.

If that first sentence is truly your position, there is no need to proselytize.

 

Good point that there is never a need to proselytize. I've always just been trying to be honest about my vibe. And people are free to judge and disagree, which they did...but therefore I have the right to strike back.

That peer review itself was about how consciousness could play a role in creating reality and that all goes hand in hand with 2012, at least for me.

 

In a way.... Maybe.

While the ancients said 2012 was the end of an era, they didn't say what was coming next. (as far as we know) That was where the New Age stepped in and said things similar to what you are talking about.

 

Yeah but the New Age became the manifestation of what was Unknown to step in. Something had to step in. No matter what stepped in, you could make the same argument that "what they actually wanted on the other side of the cycle is unknown". The New Age people came in to manifestation to get things started and bring awareness to the new cycle.

 

So you could leave the ancient calender out of the equation entirely...



Or as a passing thought say "maybe that's what 2012 was all about"


It can't be said this is what they meant, because we have no idea what they meant.

 

Yes but the Cycle ended and we are here now and take a look at the world. It's up to us to define what 2012's new cycle is about. That's what I'm doing. I'm weaving together all the grand New Age themes into one theme. I have sympathy and empathy for the New Agers. We need UFO's. We need a revolution of Consciousness. This thread is nothing more than a raw attempt to record and document and create what it means to be in the new Cycle.

The agreement and disagreement that takes place here is nothing more than a reflection of our collective consciousness and the transmutation and evolution of consciousness that we are currently undergoing in the new cycle.

Scientists like to act like that evolution just carries along on a straight linear line.

...which is true...but...

Spiritual people understand that the human plays a crucial role in becoming aware of and playing a part in evolution, which exponentially increases its movement. Consciousness is the key. Science and Spirituality need to and will come to a point where they meet each other, in this new Cycle.

 

lol.. So apparently it's not up to everyone to decide what is true. You are appealing to the findings of experts, hence you are collapsing reality to more of an objective truth.

Basically as I stated earlier, you want to dismiss science when it challenges your beliefs, but want to covet science when you think it validates your beliefs.

You are working with an irreconcilable paradox, which is why you need to proselytize and why this thread trudges on.

I'm curious why you brought up the riots in Ferguson in this thread? If there ever was an example of buisness as usual, that incident, case and fallout was pretty much it.

 

I posted Science shit because you guys asked for it. You kept dogging me about Science this and Science that and none of my ideas match up with Science and therefore I posted some Science shit. I've never tried to act like once that Science is the answer to anything at all. It's one thing of many.

The Ferguson riots are a reflection of global revolutions taking place on an unprecedented level. America has been the last one to get involved with this theme but Ferguson at least sparked the fire. You can argue that past upheavals like this have happened, yes, but this upheaval is happening now and it is reflective of the times.

As I said in a previous post, expect massive amounts of paradigm tensions to occur between 2015-2017 as Saturn primes itself to leave Scorpio and enter Sagittarius, signifying religious upheavals and paradigm disagreements of all kinds. Another reflection of the next steps of the post-2012 Cycle.

 

Breaking windows and looting, setting cars on fire, such exemplorary qualities of enlightened behavior.

Are you sure the US was not ahead of the curve with the LA riots?

 

Breaking windows and looting, setting cars on fire, such exemplorary qualities of enlightened behavior.

Are you sure the US was not ahead of the curve with the LA riots?

 

And the peer review itself is a study of the objective truth that you can create your own reality...it bridges subjective with objective...a manifestation of the post-2012 consciousness awareness and revolution.

 

You could easily argue that the Hippie revolution was all "unenlightened behavior" also. No need to judge the unfolding of energy.

 

isn't the whole crux of your argument based on judging the unfolding of energy? That somehow the modern western cultural paradigm is somehow flawed and needs to be injected with archaic cultural paradigms?

 

Well everyone has their own judgments. Just like the Hippies did. Not only am I saying that the Archaic Revival needs to happen, it will happen. I'm just simply here to pass along the news.

 

You guys can dissect every word that I say if you want or you can rather soak in the whole grand vision of the thing. Which is somewhat unknown since we are right in the middle of it but has certain repeated archetypal symbols to it.

 

I agree. I am a big fan of Mckenna, but his timewave zero stuff was pretty ridiculous.

 

Few little thoughts:

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When the chips are down, how is all this going to affect you as an individual?

 

This has completely effected me as an individual because it is a prime signature in my unique expression of life. From music to spirituality to what is truly important for me. the 2012 thing absolutely called me. I didn't try to go to it. It came to me.

How will it effect others? Well, the evolution of consciousness effects all. Revolution of the way we move on the planet effects all. Countercultures effect all. UFO's effect all. The breaking down of the human Ego of separation and the evolution into Oneness consciousness effects all.

The 20th Century was a peak of human separation and violence. Post-2012 will be more reflective of global and universal Oneness. We've come to a point in evolution and global connection that if we start trying to destroy each other any deeper than in WWII that we will simply destroy ourselves as one Organism called planet Earth. Oneness consciousness is starting to flower as the result of our collective contemplation of the shit-hole we've created out of the planet.

 

Timewave Zero was McKenna's Magnum Opus and the core result of his crazy ass psychedelic experiences in the Amazon in the early 1970's. Timewave Zero is nothing more than a symbolic representation of what the Mayans were already in touch with. Remember that he created it without even knowing about the Mayan Calendar.