2012

"A fundamental conclusion of the new physics also acknowledges that the observer creates the reality. As observers, we are personally involved with the creation of our own reality. Physicists are being forced to admit that the universe is a 'mental' construction. Pioneering physicist Sir James Jeans wrote: "The stream of knowledge is heading towards a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look like more like a great thought than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter; we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter. Get over it, and accept the inarguable conclusion. The universe is immaterial, mental, and spiritual." -R.C. Henry, Professor of Physics and Astronomy at Johns Hopkins University

 

I like how you want to dismiss Science as just man-made and "fallible" when it doesn't suit your argument but then you want to scurry back to science when you think it is supporting your argument.

In the part about Quantum Science, I believe you are referring to the Observer effect, which doesn't quite suggest what you are describing. The Observer effect is more along the lines of say a scientist wants to Observe an electron, they will need to beam some light and photons on it, which will change the path of said electron, so the measurement made in this specific instance effects the result. Observer effect in scientific studies on macroscopic levels, such as a psychology study on behavior, are often accounted for as well. Many studies on macroscopic levels are relatively unaffected by this phenomena however.


There are some aspects of quantum science which don't really make intuitive sense with our macroscopic perspective of the world, however these are realms where they overlap is likely well below human perception. A lot of pseudoscience erroneously attempts to directly apply some of the bizarre phenomena of the quantum level, directly to our experience as complex organisms.

 

You're putting words in my mouth that I never said. When did I ever talk about dismissing Science? I'm saying that it's no different a situation than the Mayan Calendar. And I also said it's about mixing Science with Spirituality. I put "fallible" in quotes to show that you can't argue that the calendar is fallible but the scientific method isn't. They're both man-made ways of attempting to understand the universe. One day the present will be the past just as the past is the past to us now.

 

In regards to the Quantum bit...everything is a fractal, so in my opinion the Hermetic maxim "As Above, So Below" applies. For example, there's not really such thing as a Tree per se. There's something that we label as a tree, but the tree is just as reliant upon the roots, the dirt, the earth, and the sky and water and atmosphere to even exist. It's not somehow a distinct and separate and individual thing from everything else. So in that sense, As Above, So Below. Why would you separate the microcosmic from the Macrocosmic? The Earth wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for Galaxies.

 

Those are your words, you clarified the first sentence a bit, but I'm not sure how else you expect me to interpret those statements.

The fundamental difference between the two is that scientific method sets parameters which allows for testability and repeatability. With the mayan calendar, all that can be known about it are interpretations by anthropologists. You seem to know very little about the scientific method, any good study of science will note the possible limitations in testing and variables, so it is built in to the scientific method to allow for it's fallibility to be revised. I doubt the same was intended with the Mayan calendar.

Hey man, Ancient Aliens has been on the history channel for half a decade, so there are probably a good amount of people who eat this type of stuff up, but just because there are still some poorly understood, even mysterious phenomena out there doesn't mean it needs to be filled with nonsense.

 

As I already said, I put "fallible" in quotes because it was Writer who initially brought up the term. The point that's being made is that they're both man-made.

And to somehow separate Anthropologists from Science is ridiculous also. They're both scientists. Any scientist is also just interpreting the data that they get.

And so scientists even admit that there are flaws to its system. Are scientists not also looking for a specific result when they are conducting an experiment?

So hey man, it's not my problem that it's taken Scientists all the way to NOW basically to start even remotely studying things such as Kundalini, Pineal Glands, non-material phenomena, NDE's etc. It's all just coincidence, though, that that research just happens to align with the Mayan Calendar. Well that's up for interpretation also.

It's nonsense because you decide that it's nonsense. The IPod would have been nonsense at one point in the past also.

 

And also, I find it laughable that just because the Mayans are gone now and that they didn't last that that somehow makes their system meaningless? Just because we don't fully understand it yet? It's the Europeans fault that they disappeared, because they ignorantly destroyed those people in the same arrogance that you talk down on the Mayan calendar. Good for the fucking Europeans then. That must mean that somehow our knowledge is more real than theirs! Because we invaded their space and took over the land and burnt most of the information!

 

Alot of what anthropologists do, does not require using the scientific method.

Scientists make a hypothesis, where they make a prediction, then test the data to find out if their prediction is accurate. Then submit their findings for peer review and the study potentially/likey is repeated by other scientists.

I'm not sure how you could apply those type of parameters to an ancient calendar, particularly if invoking untestable,mystical speculations in it's meaning. We can't genuinely verify the Mayan worldview, so while there can be consensus among experts on specific artwork, structures, calendars from their civilization, there is no genuine verifiablity.

It would not surprise me in the least if some of what we know about Ancient Mayan culture is from studying modern folk cultures and applying that perspective to the Mayan culture.

Yes, I am deciding aliens being in cahoots with the Third Reich and the wild west is nonsense.

 

Anthropologists actually know how to read the Long Count because they've studied it and know thoroughly what the symbols mean. So the calendar actually literally did reset itself at Dec. 21, 2012.

So what makes science more important than anthropology? Both are a team of people who have similar practices within their field who study certain things and come to a consensus about it. Just because they can't think of how to apply the calendar to the Scientific Method doesn't mean that the calendar means nothing. Most scientists don't give a shit about the Mayan Calendar, so they don't bother coming up with hypotheses to study through their own system called the Scientific Method, which is the High and Mighty of their field. That's not my fault that they don't bother studying it. That's their problem.

Scientists also make a variety of hypotheses about weather and climate which may or not be true as well. The point once again is that scientists are being just as speculative about shit as anyone else.

 

The scientific method is a certain and modern approach to understanding things. Most of the universe, scientists still understand very little about. It's infinite. All I'm saying is you guys are acting like Science is the end-all be-all of all study. I simply highly disagree. It's one way of looking at and studying things. There are infinite ways. Science is doing a better job beginning to study stuff that it usually would consider pseudo-science or pseudo-religion, but it's only in the beginning stages and still shaking off the rust of the 20th century.

It's important to remember that at one time it was considered a ridiculous nonsense notion that the Earth wasn't flat or that it wasn't the center of the Universe.

I am predicting that now that we are in the new Cycle of the Mayan calendar that you will continue to see more and more scientific studies of things that even 10 years ago would have never been considered to be studied. It's already begun.

 

Maybe I should put this quote here one more time.

"A fundamental conclusion of the new physics also acknowledges that the observer creates the reality. As observers, we are personally involved in the creation of our own reality. Physicists are being forced to admit that the universe is a "mental" construction. Pioneering physicist Sir James Jeans wrote: "The stream of knowledge is heading towards a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter. We ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter. Get over it, and accept the inarguable conclusion. The universe is immaterial, mental, and spiritual." -R.C. Henry, Professor of Physics and Astronomy at Johns Hopkins University.

And they ARE studying this in peer-reviewed journals. http://media.noetic.org/uploads/files/PhysicsEssays-Radin-DoubleSlit-2012.pdf ...I would send you the whole article where the quote and peer review are but when I type the URL it takes everyone to a slightly different page for some reason.

Just a coincidence that it's in 2012 though!

I'm predicting that at one point in one way or another that the Long Count will be peer-reviewed as the future continues to dawn...not to mention Kundalini...

 

I already presented key aspects of science to show how it's not random speculation. I'm not going to continue answering your questions if you are just going to dismiss my answers without providing a counter argument.

 

Look at the peer review. All I'm saying is that they haven't bothered to study the Long Count and Kundalini and peer-review it yet and that's not my problem. That's up to them to get on with that already. Stop acting like Scientists haven't been highly biased in what it is that they even study in the first place. Luckily they're starting to a get a little more open-minded in the area of the dawning of the new Cycle. Not to mention the revolutions that are occurring that I already predicted would happen.

 

So I thought that we were going to make a discussion now that I have given you guys what you asked for?

 

...chirp, chirp...

 

what happens next?

 

I'm waiting for a response. They said they were ready to continue discussing this when I gave them some sort of peer review and instead there is nothing for them to say. For the record this never originally intended to be an "I know more than you" contest...all I wanted from the very beginning with this thread was a solid discussion but most people responded in a negative light and rubbed off this thread as nonsense so that's why I've had the chip on my shoulder about it. It's fine if you disagree but the arena of the discussion is going to shift to a debate then. So let's get on with the debate! The moment I give them what they asked for they suddenly stop debating.

 

Sounds like the political forums....

 

^I feel like the above post is a great description of how science is only a limited thing and has its flaws. That doesn't dismiss science it's just that it's its own system of understanding things and it is man-made. I don't understand how physicists can even create their own dimensions but at the same time if it's all mental then why not?? haha

But the dilemma of whether consciousness is the origin of mind or the mind is the origin of consciousness is a giant thing. If it turns out to be true that consciousness turns out to be scientifically viewed as the origin of mind then WOW that's a HUGE paradigm shift! What better way to link science with spirituality? And the studies have begun within the last 6 years. Whether one chooses to apply this to the Mayan calendar is up to them but I'll just say it's a pretty big coincidence as 2012 in the new age eyes always represented a paradigm shift of consciousness. To me it's stuff like this that is a practical representation of that, not to mention NASA having world conferences regarding UFO preparation (paradigm shift), the return of psychedelics to the field of therapeutic study (paradigm shift), the legalization of marijuana (paradigm shift), worldwide revolutions in many places and America is yet to come (paradigm shift), a complete crumbling of our economic system and more and more people waking up to the fact that our system is corrupt (paradigm shift), and an increasing amount of people going through spiritual awakenings of sorts including Kundalini, among other things...