2012

...and you do the hokey cokey and you turn around....


The next few lines echo back eerily from beyond as a pigeon flies into a window and it's chest ruptures on impact, leaving a young orphaned boy to defend against a horde of angry kittens as they battle for possession of the giblets.

 

8:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PnVXMQCbEc

 

PLENTY is happening

 

Magick is the Art and Science of causing Change in accordance to Will. Anyone's evolutionary application to existence does create a change. Linking the current events with the Mayan calendar is the fulfillment of the new cycle. We are the vehicles for it if we so choose to be. It's not just me but anyone. And there is a whole Counterculture that is about consciousness evolution and I think it will come into fruition even moreso in this next year.

 

Wooooooah, do the hokey cokey!!! Woooooah, do the hokey cokey!!! Wooooah do the hokey cokey!!

Knees bent, arms stretched RAH RAH RAH!!!

 

Whatever man. I already guaranteed revolutions post 2012-before the year 2012 on this thread. Saying the Mayan calendar isn't legitimate is no different than saying the Gregorian isn't legitimate. This is the new cycle of the calendar whether you like it or not. Or to put it more accurately, this is the reset of the calendar to a new Great Cycle of 13 Baktuns.

 

Don't mind me bro, I'm just singin' the hokey cokey.

 

Both calendars are arbitrary and man made. That's my point. They have no cosmic significance; they were concocted and constructed by very, VERY fallible men of power who took into consideration many local facts of life and beliefs.

 

But just because something is man-made doesn't mean it doesn't have cosmic significance. Humans are part of the cosmos. We're only made up of cosmic star-dust. And the Mayan calendar is super accurate predicting eclipses on the dot well into the future. Modern scientists have verified that. And the fact that something is local doesn't really make a difference. No matter where you are, you're local.

The Mayan Calendar it is argued was actually based on Natural Time as opposed to Gregorian Time. The difference is that The Mayan Calendar took into account that each year has 13 moons and not 12. So every month is split into a perfect interval of 13 months of 20 days each as opposed to the erratic Gregorian which is all over the place depending on the month. They were more in touch with the natural rhythms of the universe than us and this is argued why modern civilization is so out of balance and why our relationship with time is so un-even...it's because it IS uneven and non-natural.

 

sorry I meant 28 days each. not 20

 

And so what makes modern science any less fallible, by the way? Modern humans (or any period of humans) see themselves as superior to the "fallible" people that came before us but that is yet just another hallucination of being a victim to linear time. We are no less fallible than anyone that ever came before us. If anything, we are more fallible now. So what that we can create high-tech gadgets? Meanwhile humans are completely out of touch with the nature of Time and natural rhythms of the universe. Much less in touch than the indigenous tribes that came before us. This is why Jose Arguelles' 1987 book is entitled The Mayan Factor: Path Beyond Technology. It's because technology is doing us a disservice if we are out of touch with the natural cycles.

 

If we are so out of touch with the nature of time, then why do you insist that we can infer a specific transformational time? Maybe this fallibility of modern humans you speak of extends to understanding the Mayan culture.

 

The transformation is of our understanding of Time itself...that IS part of the transformation, especially for the ones that are interested in it. A counterculture that is shifting its relationship to time while the rest of the world continues struggling. I am inferring that this is a transformational time from the perspective of the Mayan Calendar, which is attuned to Natural Time. It's the Gregorian calendar that we have been following that is un-natural, and which is what most people live off of. The transformation itself deals with our relationship with Time, among other things.

 

Good luck disproving Einstein's formulas and Theory of Time being relative as well as the subsequent quantum theories of time which have followed.

many Ancient cultures had very accurate notions of time, just got done reading a Greek Philosophy book in fact and was impressed by some notions, however there have been some stellar discoveries and understanding of our time from both our macroscopic experience of time, as well as the quantum levels, which is not going to be discarded in lieu of adopting a time of a gone by civilization.

 

We can fuse the two together. That's the future of evolution...the fusing of spirituality with science. If I could post some damn links on this thing I could show you articles of physicists that are currently saying that. What the current world lacks is what the ancient world had, which was a more uniquely intuitive relationship with the universe. Bringing back ancient things into the modern world could really help our current crisis. It's not about regressing back but I would say it's about bringing back old things that were also once timelessly superior and fusing it with our current state. Science is finally just starting to study things regarding consciousness, pineal gland, kundalini, etc...all ancient spiritual shit.

 

Their civilization didn't last, i'm not sure how you can argue it's superiority. I agree that perhaps we can learn from past cultures (that's not limited to the Mayans) however I'm not sure why you see we should adopt that civilizations worldview or why you think a civilization a few thousand miles away had a vested interest in pot being legalized in a few states a couple millenia from their time.

 

It's not just about the Mayans as it's not just their calendars that pointed to 2012.

The pot legalization is a reflection of the changing consciousness of the time.

Every era says with that sense of superiority that they will last forever. Maybe you should take a look around and see that our current culture doesn't have much longer if we keep on the same trajectory. The pride usually comes before the fall.

 

I would love to see a single scientific article published in a peer reviewed journal regarding kundalini energy or any other pseudo-scientific or religious concept. Provide us with a link and we can proceed with this discussion.

You group things like "consciousness", "pineal gland", and "kundalini" together, but they don't go together. It would be like grouping together "emotions", "kidney function", and "thor's hammer".

You do not have a good baloney detection kit. You just don't. And you seem convinced that having one is somehow antithetical to acquiring knowledge.

 

Um...the Pineal Gland, Kundalini, and Consciousness are all ABSOLUTELY related! When the Kundalini gets activated it starts coursing through all your chakras and eventually gets up to your pineal gland and crown chakra...not sure how those aren't related. Anyone who has studied ancient Yoga would know that those are all related and to say that they aren't would be like someone in Yoga coming up to a Scientist and saying that three different elements in the table of elements aren't related just because they're different elements...while the scientist would be like "um...no they are related. They're all part of the table of elements." You just don't know what you're talking about so you think that they're not related.

Here's an article regarding the Mayan Calendar...I've got to type out the URL because this site won't let me copy and paste links...http://livescience.com/26070-maya-predicted-1991-solar-eclipse.html

regarding kundalini:

http://www.kundalini-yoga-lausanne.com/download/Shannahoff-Khalsa%20Kundalini%20Yoga%20and%20Psychiatric%20Disorders.pdf

Or just go to google and type in "Science studies Kundalini" ...or Kundalini Science Studies because I don't feel like typing out a whole bunch of links.

You are correct that there hasn't been a peer review journal to it yet but Science has been closed off to even paying attention to Kundalini for a long time. It's not going to happen right away. If they would actually take the time to do that I think that they would find something that's real and measurable. I believe that that gap is being closed more and more as there are plenty of people doing research on Kundalini and the true aim of any real Scientist is to study what is unknown or beyond their current understanding and to put it into their scientific method. Scientists don't even understand consciousness or even Dark Matter yet so I'm not surprised that there's not a full Kundalini understanding yet. There are plenty of things unknown that don't fit into the scientific model but that doesn't take away its legitimacy. At least scientists have discovered DMT in pineal glands of rats. That's a good step forward in the LINK of Science to Spirituality.

 

And yes I may have a different style of research and coming to understanding of things than you but I only research what I feel compelled to research so regarding my "baloney detector" I don't really see how that's relevant. It's not like all these people are spoon-feeding shit down my throat, but rather I have my own experiences and intuitions and then so I go and seek out the knowledge. Yes there are more legitimate sources than others but the very fact that I can even find certain things that I already just came to my own intuition about FIRST is important. Whether it's a psychological source, scientific source, religious source...I'm more about connecting the dots between all of those rather than picking one specific one because that one is supposedly more correct and true than another.

Sorry, but I'm neither a hardcore Christian fanatic nor a Scientific snob who thinks the Scientific Method = God. The Scientific Method is just as man-made and "fallible" as those calendars that you said were man-made and "fallible" and I'm sure that Extraterrestrials laugh at how advanced that we think that we are. Like how can we even be taking the Scientific Method fully seriously when Quantum Science already says that one's awareness plays a role in the outcome of the experiment? Or how can that at least not be being taken into consideration? Instead it's just seen as this neutral, completely flawless method.

here's another interesting link: www.innerawakening.org/researchonkundaliniawakening.html ..."The study was based on a similar study conducted by Jeffery A Dusck at Harvard Medical School and published in Public Library of Science in July of 2008."