1st time and plain leaf

Wow. I'm amazed that you know about that. I just found out about it last year or so, from an interview with Robert Anton Wilson - the link doesn't exist any more, or else I'd share it because I think you'd like it.

I'm a seeker, too. You have the laws of your parents to deal with, and I have the laws of an inbred, uptight, red-state small town.

Did you say you tried Morning Glory? If so, did you use an extraction method?

 

Ya I'm a big fan of the model, I guess I just heard about it last summer though. Time is defferent when you're young. I've read Exo-psychology and Prometheus Rising on the subject, and I'm in the middle of Angel Tech right now. I am a sophomore in hs now, and last semester I took a developemental psychology course through a community college nearby. I did a project on this model, and it was really akward because I pointed out the importance of orgasm, how LSD could be used for brain change, and that religions were inherited by most.
I will extract the LSA next time, but I had a free day without my parents home, and was with a good set and setting. The night before I had soaked and washed the seeds with water. So that morning I chewed and swallowed 150 seeds. I wasn't ready to see god or anything, I just wanted to get an idea of the seeds effect to decide if I should extract the lsa.
I didn't feel anything for like a half hour, and then I puked for like ten minutes. After that I didn't have any hallucinations but a feeling faded in and out, from blissful contentment to clarity when I thought about society. I wouldn't do that method again, but I wouldn't hesitate to extract the LSA or something.
i also live in a small farm town. No fun. At least we're in CO though, and some of the people are o.k. with life. We have one graceery store and like 8 churches. I'm a discordian though, so there are many oppurtunties for OM.

 

I got a chance to smoke the dried leaf sally yesterday. I was very cautious of how much i set up for myself, only smoking pinches at a time. Deciding to stop at 2 hits, i peaked to the 3rd level (S-A-L-V-I-A). At that level, my experience with it was all visual. I was meditating, breathing, looking down twoards the floor as it began to fold in half upwards to me directly in my center. All Matrix like bending spoons with my mind techniques, lol. After a few minutes i went to smoke a cig outside to experiment with nature. I had little feedback from surrounding trees and birds. Slight spiritual energy was detected, but not comparable to the spiritual attunement, feelings of being able to relate to nature and wisdom it holds from mushroom trips. At the end though i felt a little nausiated and light headed dizzy. i just layed down and meditated building oxygen back into my blood from breathing while I approached the end. For now, the smoking method is not personally prefered in my experimentations with Sally. Next step may be an extraction method (eventhough it does involve smoking it again), I believe i am ready for a more intense encounter. I want to break the inner visual (level 4) that i got from the quid method. After this last method I will be implementing, I am sticking with the quid route. I really like having a time period before the peak sets in to ease my mind, preparing myself in the event of it reaching full scale. I believe that for myself to fully understand the powers of this tool, one must know whats its for and how it must be used. I am not using it as a way to get "high", I seek Knowledge and Spirituality. Afterall, isnt that what its purpose was intended for from the begining? I am not preaching this to you the reader by any means. I am just expressing what is able to be obtained for those who seek.

 

Me and my friend just recently smoked some purple sticky salvia, it was some crazy shit, with only one bowl we were in a totally different world, what ever u image happens, i thought there was a brick wall on my back, and i felt myself take it off my back. My friend took one large hit out of a bong (which is a great thing to smoke salvia out of.) and thought their were spiders all over him. This drug also can almost never result in a bad trip. even if u think something bad is happening, it is funny. although, the one bad side is that the crazy high only lasts about ten minutes, and then the next about 45 minutes is like a small marijuana buzz. Salvia is a must try drug! although me and my friend both agree marijuana is a better purchase, a little bit of salvie before u smoke marijuana is an excellent choice! 1 hit of salvia (never smoke salvie in a joint) salvia should only be in a bowl and in small amounts. a small bowl will completely fuck you up. let me tell you everything will be out of place. but once u take 1 small bowl of salvia, try to smoke a joint or two and then just sit back and let the affects kick in!

 

Oh wow, I'm going to have to majorly disagree there. I witnessed a horrible salvia trip not two months ago, and it seems to me that amongst people who actually know how to get the effects (eg, lighting it hot, holding in the smoke, bong), half of the trips are extremely intense, almost always to the point of at least some negative emotion.

 

I have to strongly disagree with that as well, though I'm very happy you've never had a bad trip.

Sensei and Alchemist - thanks for the insight.

 

ok.. smoked the plain leaf about an hour ago in a large shotgun.. I smoked about a gram of ground plain leaf in a large bowl.... I had no idea how harsh it would be... so the first hit wasn't really a hit... after about 8 seconds of coughing out the first hit, I pulled a massive shotgun hit and sat back in my seat waiting for something.. after holding that hit in for half a minute, I took one more hit and put the pipe down
I felt a little something ( not sure what, preobably just placebo) and then when I stood up I immediatly had to lie down... I fell on the bed and curled up... it felt very odd... I can't really remember what it felt like, but I do remember my arms feeling tingly.. after 5-6 minutes it was coming down... So.. I stood up, disoriented and hungry.. and that was my first experience

WOW.. that smoke is HARSH!! I was not ready for that! But Idid everything else right- Iwas relaxed, sitting comfortably, held the flame over the bowl the whole time.. I did everything right...
hopefully when Itry it again in a few hours, it will be a bit more tame and a bit more positive.. but my first experience was definetly wierd!

 

I guess the best way I can describe the few minutes curled up on the bed, would be to say it felt like I was half passed out.. kind of in a slow motion euphoric punch in the face way... jeez... I can't wait to try the extracts!

 

Another thing- I had some music on... it was either Steely Dan or the Dead.. not sure
the music was just annoying.. I think the way to go is to take the hits on the bed and just lie back and enjoy the "ride"

 

in the dark, of course

 

ok after about two hours after my first try, I made a bong (a pretty good one) and tried it that way... I took one massive hit.. nothing. Another massive hit..huh? And a final massive hit... WOAHHHH! I barely had the ability to put the bong on the coffee table... my head felt very heavy.. I guess for about 2 minutes I felt like I was dreaming, as if I were asleep- but I wasn't asleep.. I kept asking myself "is this really happening???" Luckily I was lying on my bed, so I didn't really try moving around. I know my eyes were open but they felt like they were closed.. I had no visuals or anything like that, but I did feel like someone, like an authority figure, was talking to me, repeatedly... just saying things.. What she was saying had a lot to do with whatever I was looking at in my near dark bedroom.. I guess the lasting effects finally wore off after about 10- 15 minutes.. And I was just smoking ground up leaf!
Now, this is fun!

 

I think you're ready for the 5x - but just smoke a very small bowl of it - do everything else just like you did.

I've never gotten "there" with 1x, but I do it sometimes just to establish a baseline. The most I notice is that there is a sheen on everything.

With my personal mixtures (5x mixed with 1x to bring the potency down), I do get "there" but only barely. It's still a weird feeling for me that I'm trying to get used to.

If you like it, keep going a little, sort of like exploring a forest you've never been to before, cautious but not fearful.

When you get to the point where you can do a heafty dose of it, the darkness is less important because - man - Ms. Salvia will toy with your world. Serious visuals.

If you do go to the 5x, make sure it's standardized, and remember that it's five times as potent as ground leaf, so ease your way into it.

Just my advice if I were you and you were I.

 

I kind of like what plain leaf does.. it is wild, unrelenting, yet short and tame.. It is great.. I'm pretty sure my tolerance is much lower than most.. I'm not sure how far I'd have to go to be "there", but I really like what 1x does to me

 

God, I've waited almost 2 weeks for my salvia to show up. Actually if its not in my mailbox right now, its been 2 weeks. 3-4 days myass. I want to try this so bad.

 

yea it took it about two weeks to get here for my ounch of leaves as well..
I think the most important thing is to just be prepared
USE A BONG!.. salvia puts off the harshest smoke.. goddamn it is harsh... but a bong takes all that away

 

I hope you have as low of a tolerance as I do! leaves just about do it for me!

 

I am gong to put new icey water in it

 

trying salvia for the first time was a lot like when I tried pot for the first time
I was nervous, tense, and incredibly excited in a good way
yea the smoke is no prob at all with ice/ ice water.. it is actually quite smooth

the first pull I took with a large hit shotgun was horrible
it tasted earthy in a very bad way.. like minty dirt tasting.. it smells rather nice though
the bong is absolutely necessary for a pleasurable smoke I think

 

I really wish I would have done it like you my first time.

You and Bucky have convinced me to give the 1x another shot.

 

when you do it this time.. make sure the leaf is very well ground- by doing this, you can easily finish off 90% of the bowl in two large hits