This has taken a bit of a turn, lest not forget we're meant to be talking within context of thread and not whether or not IS has 'suffered'. If anybody has, show a little empathy if anything.
I never used that word, or claimed "special circumstance". Once again, your words, not mine. I never insinuated anything of the kind. All I alluded to, was the fact that Ive suffered. Again, nowhere did I say that suffering was unique. So yes, you did misinterpret me yet again. Suffering does not have to be "unique" or "special" to have a highly damaging effect on someone's life. Unless you are claiming that is the case. Excused of what? You make it sound like Ive actually done something bad or wrong. I am not deserving of anything at all. I literally dont think I deserve anything from life at all. So your assumption makes no sense whatsoever. So, I can only do two things, lie about those events, or not mention those events? Yep, that makes an awful lot of sense. If stating facts and being honest about things is something I shouldnt be doing, then you've got me. Then it is clear you know absolutely nothing about me whatsoever. Things are not that clear cut, or black and white. No matter how much you try and make it appear so.
Certainly, the thread presents a moral dilemma. Everything is an idea. The underpinnings of that dilemma are being discussed, at least by me, although you may not recognize it. It is nothing personal.
It was originally in the context of the thread, but it got completely derailed. For which I apologise for.
You shouldn't have to. You are entitled to believe whatever you want, there isn't a right or wrong answer here.
That is very true, and I completely agree with you. But you were right, the thread isnt about me, and I apologise for the way it's turned out.
I am telling you only that your version of events is self described, further that is the power in life you have in creating the flavor of your own experience. You are welcome to your difficulties
All I can do, is describe things as they actually happened, lie, or pretend that those things never happened at all. My "version of events" are what actually happened. I really cant see what you're trying to get at here. I like how you completely evaded my points there. What I said was completely true, and you know it. And thank you. lol
The bold portion is what I'm getting at. Actually what you said was false on the face of it but I didn't see any reason to belabor the point because you can't see past your own images.
I am what you may call an actively suicidal person, I have thoughts of killing my self and have attempted quite recently. My view point on this matter is that suicide is indeed selfish,but while in the act of suicide in my case has been, I don't think of anything but the act itself. I fully understand the impact it would have on my family but those thoughts are not present at the moment. As for changing your thoughts to positive ones, when your locked in a deep depression those thoughts may not be obtainable, your mind just feeds off negative thoughts.
Im sorry, that still makes absolutely no sense. How on earth can I make anyone understand anything about me if I dont describe things? No, it was not false at all. Things are not as black and white as you are attempting to paint them as. The point actually has nothing to do with me, but the issue as a whole. So whether I can "see past my own images" or not actually means nothing when it comes down to it. You are doing what far too many others do, attempting to judge people without really knowing them, which is a very wrong, and foolish thing to do.
Does it help to introduce new thoughts from the outside. Surely you would be less inclined to commit suicide when someone is in the room with you.
Severe depression is an illness, (not "being depressed") and I think a lot of people forget this when condemning everyone who commits suicide as "selfish". A lot of people when they kill themselves do so when the balance of their mind is disturbed, which absolves them of any "blame" as far as I am concerned. Many people do things when they arent thinking straight, and their head is a mess. Its just that with suicide, its final, and it cant be undone.
I find that is why things such as therapy are so helpful, you are given a new perspective on certain issues and how to deal with them instead of the ways you were dealing with them before.