1000 Facebook "Friends" Ignore Woman's Suicide

Stop putting words in my mouth. I never ever suggested I was the only one who's contemplated or attempted suicide. I dont know where you get such ridiculous nonsense from. Stop butchering my character with barefaced lies, and blatant untrue assumptions. I said you hadnt been in my shoes, thats all. But niether have I been in yours. If you're going to savage me, at least do so with facts, instead of inventing wild fabrications in order to do so.

Just where did I say I wanted that? Geez, now who's behaving like a child throwing his toys out of the pram? I never even specifically mentioned my "scars", it seems like you want to turn this into some sort of childish competition. (which Ive never seen it as)

I already know all that.

You tear into me, and berate me for feeling suicidal when you've just admitted you felt suicidal yourself, (and still do) and were even on "suicide watch", does that not seem just a tad hypocritical to you? So no, I think you should take a look in the mirror, as I never tried to preach to you, or "got on a high horse" that was you. The criticsm was all from you directed at me, not the other way around. You're stronger than me, I admit it, but that does not make me a bad person. Maybe you feel superior, and maybe you have every right to, but Im still not going to allow you to attack me with things Ive never even said.

 

You keep accusing me of putting words into your mouth, and then do it to me...

I am not going to get into a quote fest of the things that you have said and how they have been countered, give yourself a couple of days and then re-read this thread.

Let me be 100% clear for you. I did NOT berate you for feeling suicidal... I told you it was a selfish act.

There is no more selfish act... That is not me berating you, that is stating a fact... You do not commit suicide for anyone else but yourself. Accept that.

The rest... as I said, re-read it all in a few days...

 

I'm not so sure. Like with the woman this thread is about, I think suicide is often passive aggressive, meant to hurt others. So are suicide attempts. A sort of "make them sorry" ploy, to invoke guilt and sadness. Of course, this is pretty selfish too, but it's not selfish in the way that I think you mean.

 

You have put words into my mouth. You've done it continuously throughout this thread. And insinuated things about my character and my life that are completely untrue.

Okay then, you wanted to make me feel bad for feeling suicidal. By saying that i'd be being "selfish". Because unlike what you tried to suggest earlier, I actually do care, so to be accused of that is hurtful. Im not saying that I cant see where you're coming from, because I can. But I still feel to apply the term "selfish", and "blame", as a blanket term for all people who commit suicide is a bit narrow minded, and fails to take into consideration the wide range of potential reasons and circumstances at which a person finds themselves at the stage of wanting to end their own life.

I believe the issue is too complex, and has too many grey areas to be that matter of fact about it. Although I do agree that suicide is almost always carried out purely for the individual themselves. (although there are people who convince themselves that others would be "better off without them" if they were no longer around) Is it really that terrible though to want to end your own suffering? Even if it could be deemed as a "selfish" act, I still think in many instances, it is at least understandable.

I do not wish to quarrel with you, I think you are a good person, and I dont want to fall out with you. I guess with a subject like this, sometimes passions and feelings can just boil over. I just want you to know I have no hard feelings towards you, and if I have upset you at all, Im sorry.

 

Suicide I am sure in some cases has been used to hurt others, but in most cases it is meant to end the hurt of the individual.

 

It is the same thing... desiring to 'get back' at them, is about satisfying your own desires regardless of others...

I think something has been misunderstood here... I am not condemning suicide... that is the most personal choice ANYONE can make... nobody has any right to say if someone else should do that or not.

That does not mean we should let people believe it is anything but what it is... a selfish act to satisfy ones own desires, regardless of the consequences to anyone else.

Wether that selfish act is in itself good or bad, that is for each person to decide for themselves.

What is tragic, is that sometimes people won't let someone help them, prefering to feed off their attempts to help, as proof that they are misunderstood.

Nobody should ever feel that they have no other choice then suicide... that is an act of desperation and despair.

 

I have no hard feelings towards you about this... I don't know how many times I can say that... leave this alone for a couple of days and come back and re-read it...

 

Yes, that is very true. And I also think the former scenario is worthy of contempt, whereas the latter scenario, is not. And why I would not judge an individual who had killed themselves, unless I had a lot of the facts to hand. It just wouldnt be right.

 

I am glad to hear that. Some of the things you accused me of did hurt very much though. Id rather not re-read those things if you dont mind... lol

 

That is precisely why you should leave this alone for a few days and then return to re-read it... to separate what you think you read, from what was said.

Til that happens I see no point this continuing.

Back to the original topic of people ignoring this sort of stuff....

This has been a prime example of why people who otherwise would be expected to offer, do not rush into 'help' someone when they cry suicide.

 

You did accuse me of things (and of saying things which I didnt) which simply aren't true, and they aren't suddenly going to become true, no matter when I returned to read it. Its better left in the past where it is. Im just glad there's no hard feelings.

How has this been a prime example? I never said I was going to commit suicide. This all started because I merely said if I really felt like I was going to kill myself, I would only tell someone I felt close to, or noone at all. I certainly wouldnt post about it on a public messageboard/networking site for all and sundry to see it. Because I know how cold hearted a lot of people can be, especially when they feel protected by the anonymity of the internet. Though I guess in some ways all this just proved my point that sharing suicidal thoughts in such a public way is a bad idea.

 

smooth will do for a bit, but chunky still rocks.

 

Are you talking about peanut butter?

 

:toetap05:

 

I think I've missed something here...

 

You have... IB mentioned peanut butter, then I started talking about it as well, but our posts got deleted. Dunno why.

 

Oh okay, thanks for filling me in

I was seriously starting to think that I was going nuts...


seriously

 

... Even if I do love nuts..
Peanuts is not the topic here.. Maybe the Victim was a little nuts......

SOT..

 

I can't believe someone deleted my post. That's like murder, sort of

completely defies the point of this thread. Live and let live, 'n all that.

 

Well, I didn't read the post, but if it had to do with peanuts and had nothing to do with suicide/depression, I'm sure you can see why it got deleted.