10 things INTELLEGENT christians can't answer

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4 people writing same story is good witness.
no body of Jesus found is good witness.
history of Israel and Rome is good witness for Jesus existance on that time.

read history. and compare it with bible.
that's what i do to investigate the bible


for evidence, i don't think what JESUS did leave any evidence, because what Jesus did is just tiny action, so only lot of witness. and it happen 2000 years ago.
read your bible, and check if there is action from Jesus that MUST be leave evidence. i want to know that too.

 

i think squawker must change the title to:

"10 THINGS TO KNOW MORE ABOUT CHRISTIAN"

 

I'm glad you dropped the intelligent part.

 

because maybe even not so intelligent christian can answer it.

 

So, since if even the not so intelligent christian can anwer it, then there wouldn't be need for such a thing as an "intelligent" christian.

Therefore, are you suggesting that christian ignorance would be sufficient.

 

I believe what he meant was that it doesn't take a stellar intellect to answer the questions asked.

 

Ok, allow me to provide an example of a question pertaining to christianity and religion that can be answered that doesn't take a stellar intellect to answer?

Let me begin by asking:

How many days did god create the world?

 

To "heal" is a human idea; why he doesn't magically reattach an arm for them, maybe? Why should he? Why do they deserve two arms, why do they need two arms, why did they make the mistake of losing one?

Because starving people made the mistake of living in a manner or place in which they cannot aqquire food

The Bible is composed of several works of literature, from around 1600 years ago, when killing people was much more widely acceptable and somewhat required for survival.

It doesn't contain anything "anti-scientific", "science" as we know it wasn't even created at the time of it's writing. Maybe you mean "miracles", which defy the commonlg held laws of science. The Bible includes miracles because of misconceptions about what really happened, or as a tool to stir faith. The laws of science aren't really laws at all, either, and

Because people who are pro-slavery feel that the Bible is a reliable source from which they can quote passages out of context to support the cause of slavery. After all, if your cause has the aparent "support of God", then it's sure to be somewhat reasonable. Slavery has been with us for longer than any holy book.

The idea of the afterlife means that people pay for good or bad deeds after death, not during life. Bad things happen to good people for the same reasons that they happen to bad ones, including conditions like cancer. Why should faith void someone from the responsability to lead a healthy life?

Either because Jesus didn't perform any "miracles", and was just a rather popular preacher, or, you know, he lived 2000 years ago, and noone figured they would need to preserve any evidence until he was declared divine a good bit after his resurrection.

I don't recall being told he was supposed to. Oh, and he's dead/ascended now. That might explain it.

He wanted to apostles to, in a non-literal sense. Then it became a symbolic tradition of the church, also in a non-literal sense

Why would being Christian deter a divorce from occuring? Two people who shouldn't get married shouldn't get married in any religion. You should probably get a source for this, too, I'm not sure it's even true.


Oh yeah, I'm not a Christian

 

Hat's off to landslide, that was awesome.

 

Why should he not?
If there is god, nothing is impossible.

If there is a god, he can provide with 4 arms, 4 legs if he wanted.

Keep praying, he might still provide you with intelligence.

Sorry, your reply totally lacked intelligence.

Are you telling us that babies born in a land afflicted with famine, drought, hunger ot natural calamity made the mistake of choosing to live in that manner or place which they cannot acquire food???

And killing people is no longer acceptable nowadays?
All they have to do is invent a cause to justify wars and somehow the killing of people becomes acceptable.

In fact, the mass killing of people nowadays due to conflicts and wars has become more deadly inflicting larger numbers of casualties as a result of the invention of more powerful weapons such as nuclear bombs.

If you claim that the Bible was composed around 1600 years ago, and that "science" wasn't even created at the time of it's writing, for your information, the following table lists just a few scientific inventions that were already in place long before your claim as to when the Bible was supposedly composed.

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1023

• First paper money printed in China.

1045

• Movable type printing by Bi Sheng in China

Circa 1050

• Crossbow invented in France.

1182

• Magnetic compass invented.

Circa 1200

• Clothing buttons invented.

1202

• The Hindu-Arabic numbering system introduced to the west by Italian mathematician, Fibonacci.

1249

• Rodger Bacon invented his gunpowder formula.

Circa 1250

• Gun invented in China.

Circa 1268 - 1289

• Invention of eyeglasses.

Circa 1280

• Mechanical clocks invented.

Circa 1285 - 1290

• Windmills invented.

1295

• Modern glassmaking begins in Italy.

1328

• First sawmill.

1326

• First mention of a handgun.

1366

• Scales for weighing invented.

*source: About.com​

Hmm. Sir Isaac Newton's Law of Gravity is not really a scientifically valid law??

I dare you post a video and show us that you are capable of defying the law of gravity here on earth, perhaps by means of levitation.

Actually, certain religious folks were actually anti-slavery, not the other way around.
John Brown who led a band of abolitionists prior to the Civil War, was a conservative, evangelical Calvinist.

LoL. What a silly remark.

Do you mean to say, when man commits a bad deed such as murder, we should wait until he dies, before we send him to jail? LOL.

Actually, for certain Christians, Jesus' supposed "miracles" is quite common, especially during what they call the sacrament of mass.

You say, you are not a Christian.
What would Jesus have anything to do with you?

If Jesus died, how could he have ascended.
You couldn't even figure out the question, what makes you think you could offer an explanation.

Actually, this was meant for all his followers not merely to the apostles.
For certain Christians, it is more than just symbolic. It is part of the ritual, without which the practice of their faith would be meaningless.

If two people who shouldn't get married shouldn't get married how would they know they should not have gotten married in the first place, if they didn't marry first.

The OP asked questions for INTELLIGENT Christians.

Obviously, you have failed to provide neither requirements.

 

wbld, why dont you go back and review my statements? or can you not?

 

Personal attacks? Oh, Mr. Moderator....

 

If what the bible says is true, you go to hell for sinning.

I don't want to believe in a religion that will punish me for doing things that I find fun.

Call it selfishness, I call it common sense.

 

Aw thankies

There is no appreciation of good without bad. Yes, maybe it could've been made in a manner which we consider perfect if it were made by an all-powerful God. It's not that way, you can deal with it as you may; you don't have to believe in an all-powerful creator, you don't even have to believe in a creator. Note that I don't follow myself any of the points I'm going to make; I'll still defend the idea, though, at the least it'll make you think.

How about I pray I live 32 years beyond your death? Ahaha ahhh, oh yeah I'll manage that whether I pray or not (sorry, I'll follow up on personal insults, though). Maybe you missed the "Oh yeah, I'm not a Christian" bit, though. You should have enough maturity at your age to hold a debate in which you actually listen to the other side before countering anything. You should also be less fired up about the ideas of others; you're free to think what you want to, are you not? Do so.

That's exactly what I didn't say. People don't have to choose to starve, they just do when they can't get food. You know, like how people starve from not eating food? I mean, sure, the babies didn't choose to be born there, but their parents usually have legs, and the option not to bear children that they can't support. Famine isn't always a choice, but it's certainly often the result of bad choices.

Nuclear bombs haven't killed as many people as Mao or Stalin, or natural causes. Killing people will always be justifiable as long as people are mortal, and interact independantly. Not really that big of a deal anyway, the world can only support so many people at a time.

The world's spinning produces a gravitational force that pulls objects in it's gravitational field towards it. This is scientifically valid, of course. It's not wrong, it's just a result of human observation, not human creation.

There is some experiment in physics that involves horizontal centripical force making objects float in a manner exactly opposite the force of gravity, some nut was going on about UFOs on the video, if I find it I'll put it in this post.

"1600 years ago", not 1600 A.D.; 1600 years ago would be around 400 A.D., when Christianity started getting organized, and a good portion of what would become the New Testament was composed (letters, mostly) around then. The four Gospels of Matthew Mark Luke and John were aparently before then, maybe 70 B.C., passed down by oral tradition.

And certain ones were pro-slavery, Christians can quote passages for either side; K.K.K.

Why would you send a corpse to jail? Jajaja. The main objective of the court system isn't to punish, it's to seperate those who are dangerous from society, and to reform them

True-y, Catholics; you can't scientifically prove the sacrament.

I don't think they teach Christians that he's supposed to appear to them, either.

I meant either/or, depending on your view of it; either way, someone who isn't on earth/alive probably won't appear to anyone besides in their mind.

In the Last Supper, he addressed the actions to his apostles; yes, for Catholics. I don't really care about their literal views.

Good judgement? Noone can see the future, but when two people don't work well together prior to marriage, they definitely won't after marriage.

Ironically placed grammar errors, ftw!

More contradictory is a God that created sinners if only to punish them, shitty, eh?

 

(Just to clarify something before I go into this: I'm not a Christian, and do not believe in God, nor do I discount the possibility that God exists.)

So out of interest: do you see any of this as a reason not to be a Christian? Plenty of things which we are happy enough to do hurt us personally and as a species. Most concepts that cause us the most stress - money, happiness, ambition - are both totally virtual and apparently highly addictive.

I find it interesting that you're able to point out all these horrible flaws, you are only able to cite one reason why they're a problem: because if someone believes in them, they are delusional. You then make a frankly massive leap to being delusional being so inherently harmful that it harms the whole species. And yet those who thirst for money and power, or yearn for acceptance... are they delusional? Are they harming themselves and the species?

So I dunno, unless you have some specific reason to have a problem with people who are delusional, I guess "thanks but no thanks"? If you have a major problem with the delusional, fine, but why be so selective as to aim solely at those who delude themselves that there is a god? Are you equally frustrated by those who have deluded themselves that money exists, or that they live in a society, or that they want to be popular? And if you only have a problem with certain delusions, why so? What makes one delusion worse than another, in your opinion?

 

God creates people. People choose to sin or not to. Cmon dude, that's like Christianity 101.

 

Just for a laugh, I figured I'd tackle a few of these:

Because it's not His job to heal amputees. Find me one part of the Bible that says "God was totally all about healing amputees, and I'll reconsider my answer.

Because people - sinners, perhaps - cause them to starve. God's given us all plenty of food to go around, and given us instructions about greed and gluttony to indicate that we shouldn't eat or horde way more food than we actually need. What more do we want from Him?

Makes the story more interesting? You know how it is, you start out with a decent movie, and then some producer gobshite demands that it have a nude scene in for no fucking reason, and before you know it, you have a movie full of tits and no idea how they got there. NEXT!

This answer is essentially correct, but I'm not aware that anyone has ever said otherwise. There are supposedly schematics of technology in the book of Enoch, but it's not canonical text and I won't claim to have read it. But I dunno, would you rather have a Bible that no-one could make sense of?

But yes, the obvious answer to this is that it was written by men before we had scientific knowledge. Even if those men were inspired by God, they'd probably have struggled to write anything that would stand up to rigorous scientific investigation some 2000 years later. Could you do that? I doubt I could.

Hadn't particularly noticed that it was, but I guess if slavery was common at the time of the Bible's writing, to the point where just saying "DON'T OWN SLAVES, PEOPLE IN 2000 YEARS FROM NOW WILL BE MAD AT U!!" wouldn't persuade people, advising people to treat them well is probably the next best thing. But like I said, I haven't heard much about this one.

Free will/test of faith. Take your pick. Again, Christianity 101: God is not your fucking nursemaid.

What evidence would they leave behind?

Seriously, I don't even know where to start with this one. How do you explain why Brian Clough has never appeared to you? Because Brian Clough is imaginary?

Transubstantiation. It's pretty much laid out in the Bible. Either that or the church felt like giving away free food to get more people to show up. It's fairly common knowledge that the church co-opted various local and/or pagan festivals when it expanded. I don't know anyone who isn't aware of that.

Not seen this statistic so I don't know if it's even true, but if it is:

1. Free will: God is not your fucking marriage counsellor.
2. Possible statistical issue: a lot of people will say they're Christians in Christian dominated countries because they don't want to say "atheist" or "agnostic"
3. Different people observe the religion to different degrees.
4. Protestants are allowed to get divorced anyway.