‘The conspiracy’ what’s the point?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Balbus, Jan 30, 2006.

  1. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    "Maybe rat is right.......its all divide and conquer."

    LOL

    You have to wonder who is trying to do the dividing and conquering. I mean Rat is just adding another division to the political one, a quasi religious element that makes “bleeding heart liberals”, left wingers, socialists, communists and anarchists on the side of evil and his own right wing nationalism on the side of light.

    Also you have to wonder at the alternative to having differing views, that we all have the same view, so who decides what that view is, Rat?
     
  2. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Rat how do you know if your inner voice is right?

    You say “I do believe in the divine spirit we call God, and I do believe the battle for civilization on this planet is one of good vs. evil”

    But how do you know if you are really working for good maybe you only think you are working for good but are in fact working for evil?

    I know you believe that you are one of the few that has the “mental capacity and spiritual enlightenment to see what is truly going on” but how are you sure?

    Think about it you claim that the illumanati were evil but if you actually look at them they don’t actually seem that evil

    Here is a snippet of a letter by Weishaupt -

    Socrates, who would insist on having a position of trust amongst us, and is really a man of talent, of the right way of thinking, is certainly drunk. Augustus' reputation could not be worse. Alcibiades does nothing but sit all day long with the vinter's pretty wife and spends his whole time in sighing and pinning with love. ... Tiberius attempted to ravish the wife of Democides, and her husband took them in the act. ...

    (Sounds like a few parties I’ve been to)

    And a lot of the things the illumanati championed like women’s rights, equality, happiness etc seem rather worthy. In fact it is the ones that attacked them that were the more reactionary, conservative and oppressive like the government, the church, and monarchists etc.

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    Maybe you got it wrong and the real conspiracy is not the one you have come to believe in but a conspiracy of the establishment against progressive forces that really want to help normal people?

    Think about it, libertarianism is the best way for established wealth to gain more power while such things such as socialism would diminish their power. But if you convince people that socialism is a trick of the wealthy and that the wealthy ‘fear’ libertarianism, you stop people supporting the thing they really fear and get them to support the thing they really want. Clever.

    A kind of conspiracy behind the conspiracy :)-)?


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  3. Yep thats the annoying bottom line. Lets fuck every legitimate view off in favour of the rare few which escape the wrath of the conspiracy. Its not right, no matter what evidence comes to the surface. One has to recognise that not all of us are suckling off the breasts of mainstream opinion. There are true liberals out there.
     
  4. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    "Lets fuck every legitimate view off in favour of the rare few which escape the wrath of the conspiracy"

    So you’ve noticed it as well, it does seem to be that ‘the conspiracy’ theory dictating what should be in favour and what not.

    As to “not all of us are suckling off the breasts of mainstream opinion”

    I have to wonder what is the mainstream opinion? Your in Australia I’m in the UK, Aristartle is in Canada and Rat is in the US. You then have to say what is ‘mainstream’ within our worlds, everyone has interests that to some extent have influences on the way they think, like having a religious belief or being a science fiction fan. I mean Rat might seem kooky to some but within the conspiracy theory world his views are very common so you could say that his views are mainstream opinion.
     
  5. I guess to explain what i was saying further: The left/right paradigm theory is quite a valid one and does raise some good points, but looking at it earnestly, its a mainstream phenomenon, and I don't think true liberals deserve to suffer its wrath.
     
  6. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Lying in a field

    Sorry I think you need to explain further

    The history of political thought is always about conflict and I think that is how it should be. Even the most benevolent political philosophy or system can become corrupted and need opposing. Also changes in political, social, economic even technological thinking can have an impact on how people believe what and how their government should be.

    To me such debate between differing views is healthy and such open discussions a mark of a healthy society.
     
  7. I'm so tired, i dont think i have to explain..we;re pretty much in agreement, on the above i mean, and its my love of those things that got me in this fight in the first place. I have decided to stop attacking rat and in saying any more i think i might do so........................

    last words....i'm thirsty.
     
  8. PurpleGel

    PurpleGel Senior Member

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    i just read this entire thread--everything.

    ..and i haven't read in the politics forum for several months.

    yet, i still find this vindictive and ego-based bullshit pouring out of Balbus. when will this ever stop? Pressed Rat has sincerely answered all of Balbus' accusatory questions and responded to all of his abrasive attacks, yet he CONTINUES this petty nonsense toward Rat.

    i agree with everything that Aristartle has said.

    Rat, i don't understand how you can even keep having a semi-civil discussion with this stubborn crew. you're right, though, they're the ones blowing the hot air! i can't stand how unthoughtful some of these people are; they can't even understand the clearly delineated difference between spirituality and religion! rat, just give up with these saps, you're wasting your time...
     
  9. I dont understand :(

    How is it that people are so gullible? Is it an American thing, or an under 30 thing? Are you all so fuddled in the head that you buy this empty rhetoric about "spirituality" and "labels"? If you can find me someone over 30 who doesn't think rat is full of shit let me know :)


    Balbus' fault is in being excessive....it doesn't look good, and its not necessary. But hes got a fucking point and I hate that its stolen away from him.
     
  10. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Oops, I broke my promise by saying I wasn't going to respond to this thread again. I should have said I am not going to respond anymore to Balbus in this thread.

    You are just like Balbus in that you ridicule anyone who doesn't think like you. You are closed-minded, my friend. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is either gullible or full of shit. Maybe we think you are full of shit. Maybe we think you're just some punk-ass kid who is all talk and no substance.

    Try stepping out into the real world and understand that the world doesn't revolve around you. Not everybody thinks like you. Not everybody talks like you. Not everybody dresses like you. Not everybody eats the same foods you eat. People are different, and because somebody might be different from you, even drastically, it doesn't make them "full of shit" and "gullible." We all come from different backgrounds and have had different experiences. If you were the caring, compassionate person you would like people to think you are, then you should be embracing people's differences and their differences of opinion. Not ridiculing them.

    It is one thing to disagree, it is another to insult.

    There are plenty of people over the age of 30 who don't think I am full of shit. Many of my friends are over the age of thirty. Most of the people who read my threads don't even post in these forums. But this is not the point.

    A point that needs to be made is that Balbus, whom you incessantly defend, bases much of his arguments (attacks) against me around the notion that I attack and demean people. I find this amusing, when Balbus has resorted to more character attacks on myself than all the character attacks I have received in my many years of posting at this website combined. Balbus is the hypocrite here, and his actions are starting to backfire on him. You can't blame people for realizing the obvious and stating it.

    What we are talking about has nothing to do with "spirituality" or "labels." It has to do with fascistic, mind-fodder assholes who preach tolerance when they have not a drop of tolerance in them. I am not sure which is worse: being an asshole, or being an even bigger PHONY!

    It is about people who resort to CHEAP tactics because they don't have the facts to engage in an intelligent debate!

    Balbus has not made one point, other than for the fact that he can quote people out of context and altogether make shit up about them if it means winning his pathetic little argument in which he has absolutely no facts to bring forth.... only reactionary, juvenile BULLSHIT!

    It's hard to believe this man is in his 40s.
     
  11. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    Harumph.
     
  12. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    “Intelligent debate”

    Hell Rat I’d be happy if you just actually debated, if it were intelligent it would be a real bonus.

    As to facts what facts?

    You claim to ‘know’ you are right because you are more spiritually enlightened than other people, so you are more in tune with what God wants.

    You might call that a ‘fact’ but it isn’t it is just a belief.

    What I am trying to find out is why you believe in right wing libertarianism that would give more power to the rich? Why you attack left wing politics that would diminish the power of the rich? And why you tell people not to vote and not to organise politically against the rich and powerful?

    In other words why do you claim to be against the rich and powerful but seem to be doing all you can to make them even richer and more powerful?

    I’ve been trying to debate these issues for a while, it is you that keeps shying away from having a debate about them let alone an intelligent debate.
     
  13. m6m

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    ‘The conspiracy’ what’s the point?

    Nerdy ultra-conservative caucaziods like Alex Jones, are too threatened to admit that this obscene concentration of power is in fact the logical expression of our patriarchal culture, and instead they prefer the phantasy that our culture is being hijacked by an evil "Conspiracy".

    Alex Jones' identity, like the identity of most ultra-conservative caucaziods, is dependent on romantic girlish "home of the brave, land of the free" phantasies.

    However, once the obscene concentration of power becomes so obvious that it threatens to expose the ugly shadow side of our identity, nerdy ultra-conservatives like Alex Jones desperately begin to disquise our own ugly shadow side by psychologically projecting it upon symbolic archetypes such as the "Illuminati, Bankers, Zionists, Satanists, ext, ext,,,".

    These are the propertied patriarchal symbolic archetypes universally recognized by our collective unconscious, visable enough to use as scapegoats for the ugly shadow side festering in our own cultural identity.

    Just like how the latent homosexuality of our conservative patriarchy hides its shadow side by projecting its own homo-eroticism upon the visable symbolic queer archetypes of overt homosexuals.

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    Remember, for the last two hundred years The Left has been warning us about the inevitable concentration of power within our propertied patriarchy.

    The Left, for the last two hundred years has been fighting this concentration of power, and have predicted these final stages of capitalism and predicted the rise and now fall of the working and middle classes.

    Yet ultra-conservatives like Alex Jones now play the blushing virgin, and act shocked when suddenly confronted by their precious patriarchal culture's concentration of power.

    And like all school-yard sissies, the only thing the Alex Jones' of this world hate more than the bullies, are those like The Left who dare to have the courage to fight the bullies.

    Unfortunately, in the nerdy virtual-reality of our conservative X and Y generations we can expect to see many more using the mask of "Conspiracy" to disguise the inadequacy of our own identity.
     
  14. I just had an interesting thought...

    Rat continually accuses us of arguing with him without presenting the links or the facts to back up our arguments. But what evidence can we present to disprove a myth? Balbus is quite capable of presenting evidence and providing links to back up his arguments..but the only thing remotely practical that stands up to rat's argument is common sense. I know i said i wouldn't attack rat any longer. I have every reason to question this thing, and i understand balbus' intentions perfectly. Its the archetype of the crazy either/or, lying, truth manipulating, fanatical American. Its highly disturbing in case people like aristartle haven't noticed.

    It seems m6m has done a reasonable job in providing some external evidence ^^^

    nice work ;)

    EDIT: On second though i'm letting my ego get the better of me and should let this go. That is not to say that i'm not thoroughly disturbed by all of the above.
     
  15. m6m

    m6m Member

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    I thought at least one school-yard sissy conspiracist would whine about how it was The Left who created terrible concentrations of power such as Lenin, Stalin, and Mao.


    Isn't there even a single conspiracist out there who wants to show us how he despises The Left for having consolidated enough power to finally confront the concentrated power of The Propertied Patriarchy?

    Doesn't anyone want to show how imperfect and un-Christ-like The Left is for not peacfully standing naked before the bayonets of The Propertied Patriarchy?

    Or is it that we've finally begun to realize that the power and violence of The Soviet Union and Red China was not because of The Left, but because of thousands of years of the chaotic power and oppressive violence perpetuated by The Propertied Patriarchy?

    Have we begun to realize that Stalin and Mao are the sad but natural products of thousands of years of Property's savage brutality?

    Are we finally ready to accept the truth that it's un-realistic to expect to see a change in traditional behavioral patterns that are thousands of years old in a mere one, two or even ten generations?

    If I blame The Left at all, it's that they never understood the therapeutic difficulties in healing the mental illness of this ten thousand year old psycho-dynamic of Patriarchal Property.
     
  16. paintingjames

    paintingjames freaky fish

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    brother m6m-respect and gratitude man woah you are so right!
    yes us seekers of Truth are ready to accept it no matter the implications, the only thing remains is for it to come to light in privite meditation and book study. we are all on our own personal quests, those of us who desire the Truth, to find the anceint lineage in dusty corners off far off or near by places.
    we come to places like this and find the connections also.
    it's effervescent. all pervasive, It,
    let us all push each other on this burdensome and lonley trail, and we see it in eeach others eyes when coincidences arise, follow through with it, it is no mere chance occurance!
    we must get ourselves aligned with the Truth of ourselves first, and then they will be ready to accept the Truth.
     

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