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#31 beatlebug

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Posted March 28 2011 - 03:25 PM

If more people are good than bad, then there could be anarchy because take for example something like a rainbow gathering, if someone does something shwag the /people/ take action depending on the severity of the offense. Could that work on a global scale? I doubt it, because I honestly don't believe more people are good that bad. I'm a pessimist =[ Oh well.

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Posted April 10 2011 - 05:44 PM

"Your vision of a Utopian civilization"

A resource Society, An Economy that only works full filling its resource needs and growth... Would not be a money/credit system since that would be worthless and counter productive.

So what does this mean? Basically the economy will build an education system tailored to the needs of individuals and what they excell at for their role in the system. For roles that lack support in areas there would be development tasks in to building technology to solve those areas.

Resources such as food, product needs and the like would be monitored towards the needs of specific regions.. Not like how it is today where you can find Food chain store next to food chain store only to have food products go out of date and wasted, there would be only enough that is needed for that region. Plus there would not be several companies just for the same thing vying for profit sales ~

Since the system pinpoints what is actually needed, wasted work time would be eliminated.. People would find themselves being off from work then on it. having 100% of the civilization on work roles would reduce drastically the work needed and spread it out more. as well as fix areas that drastically need it to be done, or rebuilt as needed. You end up with a economy of less stress, each would be able to be given his own home with the stuff that they would need.

and since there would be no artificial limitations as we have today with paper money, technology would drastically increase and solve a ton more issues that the economy would inherently face. Without stress, without worry people would be more active and have a happier, healthier lifestyle and in the process this planet would be fixed back up, since we would be able to successfully move away from archaic hindrances such as coal plants and the like and could move towards standardizing sun panels and the like in all places to reduce the need.

Is it a utopia ? prolly not everybody has dreams, but it where we should be progressing to rather then the mess we have now.
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Posted May 14 2011 - 10:43 PM

I see almost none of these are serious.

Education: Mostly self taught, with lots of free access and lots of work directed toward producing stimulating and interesting media such as movies, educational computer software, and stuff. Basics education required. All life testing, and those who fail are required to take classes in those areas of basic need. Computer literacy considered vital, including spreadsheets, database, and computer programming.
Infrastructure: Very condensed living, everything of need in walking distance, extremely efficient individual mass transit. No need to go anywhere you can't walk to.
Family Unit: Normal healthy families.
Sexuality: I repeat, normal healthy families.
Technology: Extremely high tech. Near or below zero pollution.
Culture:
Physicality: Participation in sports and outdoor activities highly encouraged. People working to get people active and having fun.
Food/intoxicants: Healthy food, organic, hydroponic, genetic engineering allowed but only when done by our communities which would be done in the best interest of the people, not the interest of making money.
Hierarchy:
The people are equals. Only leaders of each individual project, but no hierarchy. Anyone can lead a project. Voting only when absolutely necessary. Mostly people free to make decisions.

Religion: Freedom of choice. One true religion created which engulfs all others. All religions are considered from God, and to be loved. Teaching of hate might be forbidden, or at least highly discouraged.

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#34 Blissfullyawareofitall

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Posted May 15 2011 - 09:59 PM

Basically an Idea I like to call

Reverse progression.

Based it's based off of the idea that we are bettered by many of humanities inventions, but are forced to deal with the negative effects they bring to us as well. such as.

LONGEVITY = good
FERTILITY = good
CURES FOR DISEASE = good

But add them all together and you get overpopulation.

Another such example of suffering the effects of a progressive lifestyle.

SHELTER = good
SECURITY = good
STRUCTURE = good

But add them together and you destroy natural beauty, which robs humans of humanity.

My utopia would balance a naturalistic lifestyle with a futuristic life style going hand in hand.

There would be a stable population in each community, each community would be self supporting, but would trade with each other. Most land would be dominated by nature and other life sustaining environments.

A network of underground bullet trains would transport people to any place on the civilization without disturbing any environments. All electricity would be powered by fusion (yes I do believe that deuterium-deuterium fusion is possible) and natural elements as well.

There would be jobs for anyone and everyone, although not necessary as you could easily live off the land. Education would be free for everyone and anyone who wanted to learn anything ever. Currency would be reverted back to trading goods, but with a digitized online catalog of everything you want to trade, and an advanced program to help the process move along without a hitch.

International sharing network grids of electricity, water and other resources would be made so that no man goes without basic needs.

I'm too tired to formulate the rest of it.. got a real neat picture in my mind of what some people would probably call "hell on earth", but I would find..paradise.
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Posted May 15 2011 - 11:32 PM

Post apocalyptic landscape with a few scattered bands of humans fighting over a few scraps of meat, canned vegetables, and powdered milk :2thumbsup:

Education: Survival techniques
Infrastructure: How to accessorize your blasted-out structure
Family Unit: Ragtag bunch of misfits
Sexuality: Radiation induced sterility and impotence
Technology: Stone Age
Culture: Tetherball with human heads
Physicality: Slow, melancholy, post-traumatic stress
Food/intoxicants: The family dog & cat; followed inevitably by cannibalism
Hierarchy: The biggest baddest guy is in charge



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Posted May 16 2011 - 03:24 AM

As should have been made clear from the responses to this thread so far, the biggest hurdle to there ever being a 'Utopian' type future, is that it is almost impossible to get two people to agree on anything, let alone what a 'Utopia' may look like.

It is NOT possible to have a future 'paradise' where everyone is happy and everything works without problems.

Or... at least not if you are trying to create such with humans involved.

Think I'm wrong, just look at the responses.

Everyone should be free... to do as the rules dictate... I especially like the 'no alchohol and drugs thing', that one is just priceless...

Now... if you want to talk about what it would take to build a real self-sufficient society where people work together, it is more then possible. It will never be a 'utopia' though.

First step... Ignore everything from anyone who isn't in that position (working towards such a place) or hasn't spent a lot of time in doing so... because, as the responses here show... most people haven't the foggiest clue of what it takes to support themselves let alone each other.

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Posted May 16 2011 - 03:53 AM

Psh tom don't be silly.

It's easy to make a utopia, all you have to do is outlaw all the bad things and punish people harshly for doing them

Ban alcohol, drugs, sex out of wedlock, eating meat, crappy music, and I'm sure all the kinks will work themselves out :2thumbsup:

....Also, ban and execute, black people, hippies, young people, gay people, mexicans, stupid people, loud people, people with ADHD, and people with the audacity to think "freely" outside this perfect formula for utopia:leaving:

What could go wrong? Not like anyone's tried to make things better by outlawing harmless things that they don't like, right? No need to worry about IMPORTANT things, like personal freedom or wars or capital punishment. After all, we know what's best for everyone, which is why we're making the laws, and we're quite sure drugs are BAD BAD BAD.

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Posted May 16 2011 - 04:06 AM

Not like anyone's tried to make things better by outlawing harmless things that they don't like, right? No need to worry about IMPORTANT things, like personal freedom or wars or capital punishment.


Actually, (yes, I am ignoring the sarcasm...lol) Nobody has ever tried... and that is the problem.

What a lot of people (namely almost all), seem to miss, is that you can NEVER have any type of freedom at the expense of other's freedoms.

Whenever you start talking about 'utopia', the first thing people start naming off, is the things that you can't do, or things you must do...

People wonder why I am so picky and pushy about who I invite here? Because I accept that not everyone is equal (by their own choices) and not everyone will work towards the same goals.

Comes back to another thread along these lines a while back where people were talking about loving and welcoming anybody and everybody who showed up at their door step...

With me being condemned for making it clear that if you weren't there to be part of the solution, you would be part of the problems and therefore eliminated...

Man, did I ever get a lot of shit for that remember? I'm an asshole, I'm phycho, I'm not nice and so on and so forth...

I'm a fucking realist.

If tshtf, forget about all your dreams of rebuilding any type of society, for most of you will be dead.

Those of us who are left, will think of you often with black humor...

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Posted May 16 2011 - 09:15 PM

As should have been made clear from the responses to this thread so far, the biggest hurdle to there ever being a 'Utopian' type future, is that it is almost impossible to get two people to agree on anything, let alone what a 'Utopia' may look like.

It is NOT possible to have a future 'paradise' where everyone is happy and everything works without problems.


Only thing I consider clear from these posts, is almost no one here has given it any thought.

It is not necessary for two people to agree on anything.

It all depends on what you call a problem. Two people peacefully disagreeing about the color to paint a building, and finally the one who actually does the painting making the decisions, for example... Obviously that is not a problem.

But, if you consider a problem to be... for example... a society which is such in ever increasing dept, that collapse is inevitable, and when it comes it'll make the Great Depression look like a walk in the park. Yes, we can easily create a society without major problems like that.

We are at a stage, where you can take your pick of several impending doom situations. National Dept, Nuclear War, Peak Oil, Global Warming, and there's probably more that I'm not thinking of now. Maybe you people should start thinking a little more seriously about the future.

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Posted May 17 2011 - 12:22 AM

Tony, the thing is, people DO need to agree.

There's plenty of people who, for example, disagree with my stance that nobody should have their lives damaged because they like to smoke hemp, so they're ruining millions of peoples lives. Furthermore, many (like obama) are people who personally abused drugs, and are now enforcing laws that would prevent equally bright (or brighter) people who behave the same way from getting to the same place. More than once a minute, a potential obama is arrested for marijuana possession.

Now this disagreement would be fine if they thought no one should smoke hemp: that's their opinion. But their opinion also includes making it a CRIME to smoke hemp. THAT'S a serious fucking problem.

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Posted May 17 2011 - 03:30 AM

Only thing I consider clear from these posts, is almost no one here has given it any thought.


Really Tony...

and just how do you live as we speak right now?

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Posted July 04 2011 - 09:33 PM

BLISS'S VISION FOR A BETTER TOMORROW.


Imagine if you will a vast wildlife surrounding utopian villages across the world. City-states in all regions that are just barely big enough to maintain a healthy competition among its citizens and barely small enough to ensure that the people don't feel too small.

This is my vision. Each city state would thrive on it's own merits and thus each city would provide for it's neighboring worldly city states. Each city would specialize in something, be it the arts, maths, science, agriculture, engineering, astronomy, etc.. But it would not be restrictive to only such fields, as it would still need to be maintained and would need opportunities for all.

Each city would retain much of their sovereignty in whatever laws they wished to pursue, meaning that one city could focus on freedom and another could focus on security, that no federal tyranny would be enforced and that the citizens could be more free to select their own civic duties.

There would be a network of underground bullet trains connecting every city on the planet, these trains would ship supplies and people at no cost other than maintenance. Along with this, there would be a global electricity grid powering every single city at little cost. The power would be run off of mass solar grids in the deserts, mass tidal mills in the sea and mass windmills on mountain passes and other places where wind is abundant.

The only federal level laws would be to retain all important human rights, and the ability to live in any city state you chose, to ensure that no city grows too large, and finally to provide a healthy relationship to all cities.

Most production would be automated by highly advanced robotic systems in factories built near resources, all resources needed for human life would be available at each city state regardless of their "economic" status.

There would be roughly 200 city-states world wide of about 100,000 people in each one. Adding up to a rough estimate of 20 million people worldwide. Each city state would be far enough from each other that they would enjoy an independent isolation giving them more incentive to develop unique cultures.

In atleast one place on earth there would be a place dedicated to a complete state of nature. People could do as they pleased in this urban anarchy, and thus murderers, rapists and other horrendous people would be dumped off to live in a place where they could continue their deplorable acts. It would be walled off, secured, but wide and open with many opportunities to do as you pleased.

The capital would be located on earth's moon. A vast carbon nanotube elevator would stretch into the outer orbit of earth, and would have a launching pad allowing for people to freely travel to this moon, which would have many great places dedicated to great people. A circle of great palaces would surround the middle palace and each one would represent a city state, the middle palace would be a place where people could get recognized as being truly great and wonderful. This would be decided upon by the people, and by fellow great men.
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Posted November 12 2011 - 04:37 AM

I'd like to live in one where the majority is rich.

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Posted November 26 2011 - 01:15 PM

Everyone can produce whatever they want. And anything you don't want to produce is supplied by the gov. The gov builds the streets and EVERYTHING still. But we pay/trade them for services we wish to have ex:Drugs, Passports, DL, etc :)

So the government is FOR the people, BY the people, and by the time it get's THAT good, it will be made up OF the people.

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Posted November 28 2011 - 10:32 PM

education- Education would come in the form of "Seek and ye shall find." and all information would be passed by apprenticeships. If you want to learn medical treatment you go hang out with the doctor and learn it, if you want to farm, then go help the farmer.

infrastructure- Small tight nit communities of people living in whatever dwelling they choose, built freely from renewable resources.

family unit- I'm personally not into free love. I've always been a one woman man looking for a one man woman. If someone wants to practice free love that's fine, however they should be open and honest about that as that sort of lifestyle could be harmful to the emotions of a monogamous person. Both a mother and father are equally important in the raising of a child and both parties would be actively involved.

sexuality- See above.

technology- Somewhat primative, wood stoves, kettles, pots, ladels, old school farming tools, hand tools, stove top perculators (coffee is important.) Etc.

culture- All people would share the values of peace and love of their fellow human. There would be no backstabbing, no lying, no cheating, no stealing, no killing. Everyone would have their basic human needs met, and share a compassion and love for one another.

Physicality- Everyone would look as they do now and learn to appreciate the beauty in all life forms and all diversities.

Food/intoxicants- Communities would farm as a whole with everyone sharing the labor of growing food that will be shared. Coffee and Tobacco would be loved the world over. People are free to choose if they'd like to eat meat or not.

Hierarchy- In my perfect world humanity would actual get along and work together. The "leaders" would be chosen by the people for their wisdom and compassion.

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Posted January 18 2012 - 04:37 AM

gratification, security, and freedom, all at the same time.
socially, all that would take is the universal self discipline to avoid thoughtlessness.

tangibly though, clean energy public transportation, and clean energy generally.
environmental harmony of infrastructure, its technologies, and technology in general.

we HAVE all of those capabilities too. its the blindness of economic priorities, prioritizing economic and ideological myths, that are the obstacles which have prevented our already accomplishing this.

its not the little green pieces of paper that are unhappy.

i focus on small form factor transportation infrastructure, because that is something that has always interested me. everyone has different parts to contribute. that's just the one that most interests me.

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Posted January 18 2012 - 04:44 AM

my idea of utopia -no politicians = no wars , no finicial crisis , no censorship etc
Only after the last tree has been cut down, Only after the last river has been poisoned, Only after the last fish has been caught, Only then will you find money cannot be eaten.
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Posted March 19 2012 - 02:27 AM

to me, the ideal would be non-existence (i know that doesnt really count).

because, i dont value:

life as a principle
humanity
animals
the earth
religion
politics
sex
societal structures
procreation
family


i have always been this way.

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Posted January 28 2015 - 08:15 PM

Get rid of money
Everyone loves thier neighbor like they love themself.
Sit down and design how to use the earths resources responsibly with forethought on all things created and the recycling of such items at the end of its lifespan.

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Posted January 30 2015 - 05:07 PM

Education - Hogwarts

Infrastructure - Everyone will live in gray boxes.  The gray boxes can be anywhere and in any numbers.  People are executed if I deem them non-magical folk, but my judgments will be purely arbitrary based on whether or not they like the same things I do.

Family Unit - People can get married, but I decide if they make good couples.  They can only have children I deem unique, which basically means if they find me funny they live.

Sexuality - Gays ok, but they have to dress like David Bowie circa Ziggy Stardust.

Technology - Technology has to become more quaint.  There should be an electronic pinwheel sticking out of everything electronic.

Culture - Again, Hogwarts

Physicality - This is purely random based on who I meet.  For instance, there can't be too many hunchbacks.  One can live in an old mansion and one can live in a cave, but I don't want to see any at Pizza Hut.

Food/Intoxicants - Intoxicants will be renamed and styled so that they appear to be magical.  Anybody can farm.  You can even build a farm in the middle of someone else's farm.  I want a lot of trouble to be caused by this.

Hierarchy - Everything remains much the same, class-wise, except people have to behave like they live in a magical world.  Except I'm sort of at the top, because everyone has to think I'm cool.



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Posted February 08 2015 - 04:13 AM

universally mutual consideration.  all hierarchies will go away when we practice this.  they simply cannot exist as we know them, were everyone to do so.  and of course everyone will never do any one thing.  i don't mean that.  but a sufficient majority for it to be the self perpetuating culture will in time accomplish this.

 

solar powered narrow gauge railways will meet the transportation needs of the greatly diminished levels of human population that remain.

 

humans will have met sapient populations from other worlds, and learned to be polite to them as that had had already learned to be to each other.

 

differences of appearance, even extreme ones, will simply no longer be a thing.

 

as with the automobile, advancing technologies, as will as maturing of cultural perceptions, will have made cities almost completely a thing of the past.  the largest remaining communities will be college towns.

 

wars and the myth of economics as science well be forgotten curiosities, in dusty books, on the back and forgotten shelves, of the history of our own era.

 

there will be a world government way off somewhere that nobody cares about, because it doesn't affect them in any way.  the whole idea of nations and ideologies as we know them today, or have for the past three or four thousand years, will be pretty much forgotten too.  the only political things that matter will be in your own local community, nothing to stop each from going completely its own way, and no individual will be invested with personal authority.

 

infrastructure will be created and maintained by communities of interest in it.  infrastructure 'tribes' as it were.

 

everything in nature will be abundant, simply because people will be so few.  there will be plenty of ruins to explore from our era, when humans were more numerous.  most of their health hazards, other then mechanical ones of falling objects, will have dissipated by then.

 

probably won't seem utopian to most of the people living now.  but then they won't be living by then.  they will be long gone of old age.  most of the population reduction won't be the result of wars, if there even will have been any.  what we're seeing now may very well be the last of those.  environmental factors are what will have reduced human population to sustainable levels.  that time will have been long in the past too.

 

humanity will have actually learned not to repeat its current mistakes.  quite likely the hard way if that's what it takes.  the smart way is still possible.

 

pretty much "utopia" is what it will take, for humanity to still be here, as little as a hundred years from now. 

 

that doesn't mean we have a hundred years to smarten up.  we don't have any.  the hard lessons have already begun.  people are still seeing them backwards though.  a lot of people are.  that's why the're hard lessons and why they're happening.

 

there will always be effort to feed ourselves, that sort of thing, but the illusions of money, that will be long gone.  we might not even look like humans do now.


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