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#31 outthere2

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Posted September 22 2012 - 05:26 AM

I think that America has gotten lazy and depend too much on foreign products, foreign manufacturing, always wanting someone else to do it for cheaper.

The cause of America's reliance on foreign manufacturing is not laziness but economic policy. The US used to impose tarriffs on imported goods which protected American manufacturing jobs.

Globalism has changed that. As a result we're witnessing legalized economic treason whereby US investors invest in some far off country and then sell foriegn manufactured products back to the US. That would have been viewed as a form of treason not very long ago.

The human constructed global economic system (policy) is brought to us by and serves the purposes of the global capitalists; they're not patriotic.

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Posted September 24 2012 - 02:23 AM

The cause of America's reliance on foreign manufacturing is not laziness but economic policy. The US used to impose tarriffs on imported goods which protected American manufacturing jobs.

Globalism has changed that. As a result we're witnessing legalized economic treason whereby US investors invest in some far off country and then sell foriegn manufactured products back to the US. That would have been viewed as a form of treason not very long ago.

The human constructed global economic system (policy) is brought to us by and serves the purposes of the global capitalists; they're not patriotic.


i don't think protectionist teriffs were the best way to go.
(though they DID keep jobs from being shipped off shore wholsale, i have to give them credit for that)
internationalization of trade unions would have been better.
or teriffs based on how much forign workers are cheated by international corporations out of a living wage maybe.

but that last line is absolutely dead on accurate. corporations don't give no more a shit about big countrys where they come from, then the little countries they've been robbing from for more then a century.

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#33 cinnamond

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Posted September 24 2012 - 03:03 AM

Lets consider what could destroy the US.

1. War, the US usually start their wars and end them too, when the public get tired of the body bag numbers. Their enemies, so far have been very weak and have to stay the course for their own survival, they get a little outside help and usually do survive, but a mess is left behind.

For these reasons the US reign of warmongering may be halted, especially over Iran, because China, Russia and India get their oil from there and China is now the most powerful nation on earth.

Okay the US have more and better weapons, but they don't have the stomach to take on the Chinese, who do have the stomach and will fight to the last man. Add Russia and India to the equation and US options are very limited.

2 Nuclear war, unless a mistake is made, I would rule this one out for the same reason, stomach problems.

3. So then there is economic collapse, I don't think total collapse is likely. The Money men are quite happy to screw the last drop of life's blood out of everyone, but won't kill the golden goose, merely keep in nailed down.

4. Finally revolution, a nice thought, but they don't work in practice, you just get another bunch of powerful shitbags in change and the current will see it coming and offer a crust of bread to the people, just in time.

#34 mr.morrison

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Posted September 24 2012 - 04:47 AM

\within 4 years we will cease to be a sovereign nation..this will be brought on by a combination of "terrorism" and a economic collapse..
the imminent collapse of the economy will become evident before next spring and the false flag terrorist attack will happen sometime next year.both events will lead up to the loss of our sovereignty some time between 2010 and 2012.

hows that for a time line?


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Posted September 25 2012 - 05:50 PM

Your time line was wrong

well it could happen that soon, especially if the tea nazi's finagle their way into any more control then what they already have. at the other extreme it could be nearly a century. more likely somewhere inbetween. its a roll of the dice as to when. too many conflicting trends for me to put any bets on when. other then that the colapse, when it comes, will be entirely an internal matter and not the result of outside pressures or influence.

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#36 Searching4ASoul

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Posted July 10 2013 - 02:55 PM

The U.S. might end in 50 years or less. It might re-emerge as a zombified nation brainwashed and drinking the governmental kool aid(alcohol). It's mostly that people will no longer defend constitutional rights, so they'll simply fade away thanks mostly to people's inaction. The government will only be like a worm crawling though unresistant, permeable soul helping their tree of evil grow. Inaction is bad action!

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Posted July 10 2013 - 03:12 PM

the ancients believed that rome would rise and fall again someday. that was during the fall of rome.

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Posted July 10 2013 - 03:16 PM

do you think the united states will ever be taken over by another country?


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Posted July 11 2013 - 03:25 AM

its not a matter of being taken over be another country, but of reverting to a more logical and natural condition after famine and epidemic from climate change brings about an overwhelmingly majority reduction in human population. possibly we could see a breakup before then. we're already seeing a well earned diminuation of its respectability as anything other then a bully, and an ever increasing self isolation resulting from the arrogance of its policies.

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#40 yahoohippegm

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Posted July 18 2013 - 01:28 AM

Not long...

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Posted July 18 2013 - 01:45 PM

How about the supervolcano under Yellowstone park, there's not going to be much left of America after that blows.
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Posted July 20 2013 - 02:24 AM

How about the supervolcano under Yellowstone park, there's not going to be much left of America after that blows.

the state of montana is bigger then great brittain, or a lot of other countries, its less then 1/10th the size of the main, contiguous part of the country. the bigger effect of super volcanoes is what they put in the air more then what they do to the surface of the land. if it were big enough to leave not much of the entire country, that spans the north american continent, this would like have a serious effect on the planet's orbit. there just even that much molten in the core, so no, sorry it doesn't quite work that way. it might be spectacular if you're within a few hundred miles of it, but we're talking about thousands.

no, its famine and disease from climate change that's the most real, present and serious threat. and then you have infrastructure breakdowns from people not being well enough to keep that going and when that happens the cities, where 90 to 95% of the population live, become unlivable.

its all this politics of putting money ahead of people that is internally destabalizing too. i've seen too many things people say could never happen here when i was young, be accepted today as "just the way things are", to take as a given anything "can't" happen here, or anywhere, or everywhere.

but that's people things. nature things work the way they do. but we are overloading them all over the planet too.

no its the combination of the environment thing and the money before people thing, and the two are somewhat linked as its the money before people thing that is motivating negligence toward the environment that is causing that problem too.

america probably won't even be the first to fall, of the major economic world powers. but essentially and eventually they all will.

governments, like anything else too big to fail, ARE too big, and WILL fail precisely because they are. and putting economics ahead of people isn't going to make them smaller either.

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#43 NextEvolution

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Posted July 25 2013 - 06:36 PM

The idea that "money" is put ahead of "people" is too vague to even be discussed... as for the OP, there will probably always be a place called the USA, but economic collapse and revolution are eventually going to happen to some degree. The question is... who will be holding the guns to restore order? I doubt any country could take us militarily in our lifetimes... even GB can still hold it's own if they spent the money and they fell behind centuries ago.

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Posted July 25 2013 - 06:54 PM

the us will face its particular problems of massive debt, special interest influence and corruption, and social balkanization.

add to that global climate change, resource scarcity, and the rise of other powers relative to the us.

the us can expect at least decline, perhaps total collapse. a more likely scenario is that america continues to divide between the very rich and the very poor, and the whole system kind of limps along without completely collapsing.

kind of like what we've got now, only quite a bit worse for most people

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Posted July 26 2013 - 09:47 AM

to assume a thing will always be, because it was there before you were born, is not the way the universe you live in works. there were people were america is, for more then ten thousand years before there was such a thing, and the place will be here a very long time after its current name is forgot.

not unchanged, for it constantly changing. but a nation is no less mortal then a man. just a lot slower in going about it.

a man's life is measured in decades. a nation in centuries. but may things last longer. a mountain lasts millions and a continent billions.

we can be very stubborn about a name. we can pretend a custom is older then it is.

neither you nor i will change the fate of the universe by what we individually choose to believe.

america was poorly optomized, but it was genuine effort to do so, for a world that existed at the time. a world which no longer exists. at least parially because america played a roll in changing it. but that hasn't immunized it from being swept away by the changes it has made because it took part in making them.

how long does anything last? there are too many factors to say. but eternity is not one of the available options.

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Posted November 17 2013 - 05:55 PM

meh, i think it'll go down, but not sure when.

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Posted November 17 2013 - 06:22 PM

If groups like the Illuminati have their way then no we won't be a country, per se, much longer
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Posted November 17 2013 - 06:37 PM

meh, i think it'll go down, but not sure when.


Largely thanks to people like you. The percentage of Americans whose math shows that a minority of worthwhile viables can support a majority of stupid undesirables is way too high. The stupid can be sold anything under "you'll get something free that you deserve!" Like tjey myopically voted for their own extinction here. The only thing they will get free is a free poncho and bottle of water a their fema camp. Serves 'em right too, but it threatens to take the rest of us down and robs us all against our will. Idiots.

Mid January will give some idea of time left. If the administration can't be gotten under control by then there may be problems. As soon as osamabinbama sees he can't win, he'll try to invoke disaster and invasion to try and stay in office. The rest is a "movie show". There's food, water and more money than ever before, but it has gone uphill and is not coming back. Our dead weight is officially an endangered species. That's what they voted for.

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Posted November 19 2013 - 03:29 PM

All things must pass.....
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Posted November 20 2013 - 02:45 AM

But I like idiotic airheads so much more than....what is out to depopulate and replace them. Power people are just plain "no fun". I am not quite ready to put up with the "hunger games", so I pray everyday that people will be able to hold out awhile longer.

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Posted November 20 2013 - 02:52 AM

I'd say a few more hours at least :D

Joke! :)

But it is looking a bit chaotic over there. Shame that capitalist societies have so much trouble ensuring a distribution of wealth that doesn't practically destroy the system :(

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Posted November 20 2013 - 01:31 PM

That's our problem. It was never meant to. It was a great and fun pyramid scheme though. Now the winners will be richer and live in the better remaining places while the better part of it becomes "detroit" and gets the "unwanted industrial meat by-product" treatment ie on the agenda.
But that don't make for much of a "fun debate!" So I better plant a seed of "how great, work free and fun!" It's going to be so people who don't do much else can pass the time.
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Posted November 21 2013 - 01:24 PM

At least till payday....:-)
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Posted November 21 2013 - 01:56 PM

Personally I still think we need a revolution here in the U.S. I know that sounds clique but still, we as people need to make our voices heard and change the way things are going here.
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Posted November 21 2013 - 09:05 PM

I do too. What I am afraid of is "The Hunger Games" except there won't be a game, just an extensive list of what one can be executed for until there's one person left out of every 16 or 17 now. With that kind of cut, it don't look too good for ordinary me. Ahahaha!

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Posted November 24 2013 - 01:05 PM

it'll happen.... it already is

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Posted November 24 2013 - 01:40 PM

Agreed. Never thought in my lifetime, but things have moved so fast over the last 20 years.

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Posted November 25 2013 - 01:31 PM

poor and peaceful ? receive america the beautiful .

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Posted November 25 2013 - 02:32 PM

Bwahahaha! Yeah sure. I don't have to "receive" what is being imposed at gunpoint. I think people should try to see it and navigate the best they can. They need to compete and acquire the best that they can before it is officially socialism and enforced. We're still a few days from that. When we do hit that point we'll all know anyway because they'll hand out smocks and assign jobs and careers....

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Posted November 26 2013 - 01:28 PM

i was only speaking of receiving earth and sky . oh sure , i've seen
the signs that prohibit this . privut pooperty no tree pissing




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