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#31 salmon4me

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Posted November 18 2007 - 11:13 PM

Do all six Maria's do a good job? Show up on time? Would the hospital give better or worse care to the patients if 5 (or all) of the Maria's didn't work there?


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#32 Mellow Yellow

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Posted November 19 2007 - 12:59 PM

A system that gives free health care to some while denying it to others needs to be changed.
I think that free health for everyone is better than "kick out the freeloaders", which results in free health for none.

I can't argue with that logic. Not to mention that the "kick out the freeloaders" mentality has resulted in the massive beurocracy that is responsible for one of the most expensive, yet least effective, health care systems in the world.

Perhaps we should focus our energies on something more constructive, like going after the freeloaders at the top, the politicians and the over paid corporate execs, who are raping the health care industry (among others).
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Posted November 23 2016 - 08:18 AM

If they can, somebody in D.C. needs their boat turned over!

 

After my stroke 8 years ago, I had to fight tooth and nail to get the two years I was entitled to. The first three months, they would conveniently forget to send my check. Then they tried to shut me off. Keep in mind that Short Term Disability is six months. Then I had to threaten to take my lawyer with me to Pittsburgh on a plane trip to get their attention for the rest. 

 

Now I see their ads on TV and it brings a few bad words into play. :)


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Posted November 23 2016 - 08:41 AM

If they can, somebody in D.C. needs their boat turned over!
 
After my stroke 8 years ago, I had to fight tooth and nail to get the two years I was entitled to. The first three months, they would conveniently forget to send my check. Then they tried to shut me off. Keep in mind that Short Term Disability is six months. Then I had to threaten to take my lawyer with me to Pittsburgh on a plane trip to get their attention for the rest. 
 
Now I see their ads on TV and it brings a few bad words into play. :)

The last post on this thread before yours was probably made before your stroke.
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Posted January 12 2017 - 12:47 AM

it seems you have to have a lawyer and threaten to sue the government to get anything you deserve today, but if you sneak across the border, you get to stay and suck up all the benefits you were never  forced to pay into



#36 Okiefreak

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Posted January 12 2017 - 10:57 PM

Undocumented immigrants are not eligible to receive welfare benefits. The only way they can get them is by false identity papers. Legal permanent residents (LPRs) must pay into the Social Security and Medicare systems for 10 years before they are eligible to receive benefits when they retire, and In most cases, LPRs are not eligible for means-tested public benefits until 5 years after receiving their green cards. According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, only U.S.-born (i.e., U.S.-citizen) children of undocumented immigrants are eligible for programs such as Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP).


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#37 Irminsul

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Posted January 12 2017 - 10:58 PM

Save a whale, harpoon an illegal immigrant. :)
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Posted January 13 2017 - 05:32 AM

Save a whale, harpoon an illegal immigrant. :)


They're not getting benefits here or in your country either. That's why some of them act so pissed while being stuck in the process of being returned to their homeland (often takes awhile unfortunately). They may get their primary needs covered while theyre still in our countries but that's just to treat people humane.
Btw: there have been accounts of rescue services in the mediterranean sea taking notice of loaded refugee ships and doing nothing. One of those boats with all people on it sunk and most people died. Funny huh? :)

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Posted January 13 2017 - 08:13 AM

Btw: there have been accounts of rescue services in the mediterranean sea taking notice of loaded refugee ships and doing nothing. One of those boats with all people on it sunk and most people died. Funny huh? :)

 

 

A UK journalist, Katie Hopkins, described migrants as 'cockroaches' a while back in the Sun newspaper. She wasn't censured for it, and has now got a nice new job at the Daily Mail where she can continue to spread hate and the complete lack of empathy or humane feeling that characterizes both those publications.



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Posted January 13 2017 - 08:40 AM

Too bad it got that consequence of her getting a better (?) job because of that. Not sure about the not censuring part being bad. Maybe it is good to have people express themselves in that way. As long as they are reacted to with reasonable and clear no bullshit responses. It must be real cozy in the comment section of her Daily mail articles :P :D All PC rubbish of course! 


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Posted January 13 2017 - 09:04 AM

Too bad it got that consequence of her getting a better (?) job because of that. Not sure about the not censuring part being bad. Maybe it is good to have people express themselves in that way. As long as they are reacted to with reasonable and clear no bullshit responses. It must be real cozy in the comment section of her Daily mail articles :P :D All PC rubbish of course! 

My guess is that if I went out and found a migrant and called them a cockroach in front of witnesses, I'd end up in court. And rightly so. Freedom of expression has to be balanced with some sense of social responsibility I think.

The language used  is clearly meant to be inflammatory and plays to an already quite racist and xenophobic readership. If they weren't so, they wouldn't want read either paper because the same kind of thing is repeated in every issue even if in less lurid terms.

 

It reminds me of the Nazi propaganda film that portrayed Jews as rats.

 

If journalists are serious and have concerns over migration, they should be more careful in how they express that. To liken human beings to cockroaches is going too far, and the Sun should have received a slapping down.



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Posted January 13 2017 - 09:50 AM

Illegal immigrants are paying taxes for the rest of us and getting few, if any, of the benefits. They are modern day Rome's slave population and, in Georgia where they decided to enforce the law insisting they cannot pick crops, they started using men in prison to do the job instead raising the specter of recreating the infamous road gangs again. Without the federal government taking charge of the situation and widely prosecuting those hiring them the poor and disenfranchised everywhere will always be treated as slaves and second class citizens. I don't see anyone rushing to help either the poor or the illegal immigrants other than to alleviate the worst problems they face due to extreme exploitation.


Edited by Wu Li Heron, January 13 2017 - 09:51 AM.


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Posted January 13 2017 - 10:06 AM

Nobody forces them to be exploited. They risk arrest and death because they want to be exploited.

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Posted January 13 2017 - 10:40 AM

Nobody forces them to be exploited. They risk arrest and death because they want to be exploited.

 

These are poor people spending their family savings and risking their lives for a chance to make a little money for a change. Twenty of them will sleep in the same motel room, which is also illegal, and send all of the money they make back home where it buys more. In fact, instead of going after farmers for hiring illegal labor the ACLU went after them for providing inhumane working conditions, sometimes, without even clean water. You might as well claim that nobody is forcing children to be exploited by offering them candy for sex.



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Posted January 13 2017 - 11:00 AM

These are poor people spending their family savings and risking their lives for a chance to make a little money for a change. Twenty of them will sleep in the same motel room, which is also illegal, and send all of the money they make back home where it buys more. In fact, instead of going after farmers for hiring illegal labor the ACLU went after them for providing inhumane working conditions, sometimes, without even clean water. You might as well claim that nobody is forcing children to be exploited by offering them candy for sex.

Are we gonna put words in my mouth and change subjects?
Or are we gonna agree that most of what you said is exactly what I said.

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Posted January 13 2017 - 12:42 PM

They're not getting benefits here or in your country either. That's why some of them act so pissed while being stuck in the process of being returned to their homeland (often takes awhile unfortunately). They may get their primary needs covered while theyre still in our countries but that's just to treat people humane.
Btw: there have been accounts of rescue services in the mediterranean sea taking notice of loaded refugee ships and doing nothing. One of those boats with all people on it sunk and most people died. Funny huh? :)


Yeah but.. you can't fit all that on a bumper sticker. :D
"Save a whale, harpoon an illegal immigrant" on the other hand... :D

That's it! I'm doing a vistaprint run. :rofl:
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#47 Wu Li Heron

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Posted January 13 2017 - 03:38 PM

Are we gonna put words in my mouth and change subjects?
Or are we gonna agree that most of what you said is exactly what I said.

 

Sarcasm simply doesn't work online, so I thought I might clarify a bit. :)