Why I'm Atheist and not Agnostic

Discussion in 'Agnosticism and Atheism' started by relaxxx, Oct 19, 2013.

  1. Anaximenes

    Anaximenes Senior Member

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    And now the measure of spatial Being of Higg's Boson disguises the identity for any such instantaneity. Does the material energy exist or not? So what was proven: the Identity for the God Particle?
    I mean this asks for Agnosticism.:sunny:
     
  2. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    I don't need a degree to call BS.

    Actually, it is IMPOSSIBLE to check a quantum state without changing that state. The particle or electromagnetic field of the particle has to collide with a detector, destroying that state and creating a new state. It is IMPOSSIBE to say detection of particle X instantly changed paired particle Y. All they do is collide it with the same type detector and observe the same results...

    Anyone who says otherwise is full-o-shit.
    I don't care if fucking Michio Kaku says otherwise,
    theoretical string theorists are full of shit by default.
     
  3. Anaximenes

    Anaximenes Senior Member

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    And what they do: is that an object doing things objectively? The essence is that the Object is made of objects, and that could not care for being anything essential. Was that, Relaxx, existential not to be defining determinations of essence by anything but categorical retarded competition? That is only functional mapping. The functionality is only worth using a back of the book crib.:biker:
     
  4. oscar2u

    oscar2u Banned

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    I agree. If there were some god it surely does not give a shit what transpires on the planet Earth. And the ongoing misery purped on mankind in the name of religion is unforgivable. ...Oscar

    PS: These believers appear to me to be incapable of facing reality. You will die one way or another sooner or later. Fuck it I say. I am ready to die and have no desire to prolong the misery. I hang around to try and help my relatives and people I care about. They really do NEED me. If this was not so a lethal dose of demerol is my preferred way out of it all. I do recall laying on a bed on a hospital ship in terrible pain surrounded by men in different states of being terribly injured myself included. With my first hit of demerol I did not give a crap about myself or anyone else. The morphine did NOTHING for me. Demerol did the trick.
    I always wondered how they got so many NVA soldiers to come against us at times facing certain death. They had turnikits in place on arms and legs. I remember this one NVA soldier smiling as he got dinged. Maybe he was on demerol.
     
  5. Cherea

    Cherea Senior Member

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    It's all splitting hairs, but I would have to say agnostic sounds like such a spineless cop out.
     
  6. Anaximenes

    Anaximenes Senior Member

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    How is the typing, hey there buddy; but my typing is hell.
     
  7. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Honesty isn't spineless. Science has yet to provide definitive explanations for the creation and integrated complexity of the universe, the origin of life, the nature of consciousness, the nature of dark matter that holds the universe together, the existence of quantum laws, etc. Scientifically fashionable explanations like M-theory and quantum vacuum fluctuations at the cosmic level are no more empirically supported than theory of a Creator and/or Grand Designer. We don't know whether or not Godelian undecidability applies to mathematical physics. So in boldly proclaiming "There is no God", atheists are talking out of their asses or whistling past the graveyard.

    On the other hand, it does seem unlikely that a divine Entity would be anything unlike the anthropomorphic beings that are worshiped in our various religions. The Cosmological argument for God doesn't get us beyond an "Unmoved Mover", instead of a Person who answers prayers. And the argument from Design is something of a "God of Gaps" approach resting on the precarious assumption that the naturalistic cosmologies will never be able to deliver a scientific alternative. So it seems to me necessary to make an existential gamble--hopefully, one based on what we perceive to be the best available evidence. Courage, as well as honesty, dictate that we are fully aware of what we're doing and don't try to claim that we "know" the right answer. Faith is a "joyful bet" in the face of the unknown and the unknowable.
     
  8. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    whatever i am or am not, the words, and people splitting hairs over the meanings of them, has nothing to do with it.

    i happen to believe that whatever god or gods or whatever god-like things may happen to exist, are not at war among themselves, nor with anything else.

    that evil is the willful causing of harm, and morality is the avoidance of doing so.

    that we don't NEED to know, or even pretend to know, the names and addressess of gods or what they look like or any of the rest of that.

    only that it is good for the health of our own spirit to be as nice, or at least reasonable, as we can, to everything that we can. and to not make things in such a way as to make more harm then can be avoided.

    and i believe we can make and enjoy all enjoyable things in ways that cause no harm, and certainly a lot less then we are used to and used to going along with.
     
  9. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    ^
    If we can ever cure man from religion, we'll make the world a better place.
     
  10. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    The whole world has to conform to your wishes? :p I can see a bloody riot happening (in this highly hypothetical scenario) :p
     
  11. Okiefreak

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    So the world would be better monochromatic? Lots of people over the centuries have thought the world would be a better place if everyone thought like them. I've sometimes thought the world would be a better place if there were no Republicans. After they're raptured, we might actually make some progress in solving human problems. But they're still here, I have to live with them, and really they might help in controlling excesses of unbridled liberalism.
     
  12. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    Yeah, I don't really have much hope for advanced humanity. When society breaks down, atheism will be gone before the canned beans are finished.
     
  13. Anaximenes

    Anaximenes Senior Member

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    The mob; the mob generally wants to be agnostic. Who knows "wants' for absolute knowledge of oneself? The daily news does. And the God has the interpretation for copying text. The man has the realization for imagination out of the pictures.
     
  14. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    One of the primary directives of almost all strains of religion is to inflict their particular illness on as much population as possible. What could be more monochromatic than that? Even the endless warfare between religious disease strains turns the world a sickeningly narrow band of ugly colors.

    Achieve a society based on reason and reality, a society without socially transmitted mental illness religions and cults of personality, and without detrimental superstitions, delusions, and out of control superego's... That society would be free to flourish a veritable rainbow of lifestyles, ideas and solutions the likes of which our current mentalities will never see.
     
  15. thedope

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    Nothing need be more monochromatic than this type of thinking. Diversity, regardless your perception of reality being assaulted, is the rule. It is resistance to this that causes contention.
     
  16. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Is that your own prognosis then?
     
  17. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    It's terminal.

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  18. dark suger

    dark suger Dripping With Sin!

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    Probably has something to do with u labeling yourself as one and not the other
     
  19. Anaximenes

    Anaximenes Senior Member

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    I don't understand. Contention is only the view science derives for no justice. No justice, no freedom. But that's a moral; thus we are against Nature, unless we go grey in grey again. History that way may make it; so what. No emotions, no conscience.:sultan:
     
  20. Gongshaman

    Gongshaman Modus Lascivious

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    I have no problem with anyones personal religion, it's when they get in organized groups that the trouble begins...
     

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