Why I'm Atheist and not Agnostic

We know that Flying teapots and Master Splinter are fictional characters, because people consciously made them up. On the other hand, we don't know that for sure about God. Many people have the idea that the experience of their existence is too amazing to be a fluke and turn to an Intelligent Designer as a possible explanation. Atheists can try to explain this away by pointing to this or that reductionist theory that purports to account for it naturalisticaly, and they might be right. An agnostic senses that there is enough of a possibility that they might be wrong that (s)he thinks it's appropriate to remain noncommittal. And some optimistic agnostics like me think there's enough evidence to take a chance. Obviously, you think there's enough evidence to the contrary to take a chance on the opposite conclusion. May the better man win.

 

Nobody wins, and these so called Gods or God only saw fit to ever make themselves evident to crazy primitive sand people. Even then it was mostly to tell them to slaughter others and cook flesh. Just like ancient aliens only ever showed up to help people move some stones around. Too soon to share any decent technology, right? No, fuck no. Crazy delusional sand people telling lies and creating elaborate fantasies to justify endless warfare and slaughter because no TV, or internet, or sufficient food and water. That this pseudo morality religious faith bullshit is still infecting millions like a social mental disease, and causing the infected to justify countless horrific bloodshed and injustice... Humanity is fucked. Since the politically correct thing to do is tolerate this cancer, feed it and facilitate it even.

 

It is kinda hard for me to figure out what you are trying to say. There are a couple of ways to look at what you just said here. Your self, being, exists regardless your level of identification. You can have a sense of identify and be mistaken in your identification. Perception is not knowledge but can lead to it. Knowledge is, being shared. It is easy to distinguish one thing from another but is impossible to determine with accuracy the value of anything. All prices are subject to change. Life itself is invaluable.

The universe is made of information and is itself every bit informed. We are made of information and are relatively informed. That is made aware through relationship. We are no less informed than the universe however which is every bit informed.

 

Essentially, Atheism and Agnosticism have the same practical properties. Since actually having knowledge requires us to also have an acquaintance with the depths of our own ignorance as well.

We can always be wrong about anything. So it would be kind of redundant to keep saying "but I could be wrong" after every statement. Thus, Atheism.

Many Atheists don't understand this though.

 

understand what? That many of them don't believe in something?

 

Yes there is a certain type of person who call themselves Atheists but aren't exactly that.

They are usually too busy reveling in the fact that they have found a path to truth to actually walk the path.

They are shepherds with no majesty.

 

Who are they? I have not met them...I have met many people who call themesleves a certain religion, but do not walk the path they decree, though.

 

Anyone who says God doesn't exist and doesn't understand that they might be wrong. The same is true of religion.

 

I agree with that....and I have said several times this very thing.........
I call myself a secular humanist.
I call myself an agnostic.
I call myself a free thinker.....
for people who call themselves atheists....they just have their own convictions like anyone else who calls themselves anything.

 

Well, I call myself an Atheist. But for reasons explained above, I try to be as concise as possible which usually means omitting details about myself.

Not to mention I'd much rather argue with someone who has the impression that he understands my position enough to claim it for himself.

Partly because I hope to learn a thing or two by participating in the discussion.

 

That is what discussions and debates are for.....
I respect people with conviction no matter what the conviction is....
other than harming anyone or anything else.
I think there probably isn't anything after this life...but I sure as hell hope there is.....that is my position exactly.

and if there is anything after this life, I am pretty sure, it is not some being that I have to face that is the be all end all.....

 

Hope put a man on the moon and this phone in my hand. I am hoping for anything at all after this life.

 

lol

 

I already beat Zeus in God of War II if that's what you are getting at.

But I digress,


What is the competition?


Unless God (s) make their presence clearly known, there cannot be any "winners" as relaxxx mentioned. Perhaps you would be willing to set some parameters, maybe not, but I know for sure that many theists would retreat into the realm of the supernatural or such abstract notions of God as to not allow him to be subjected to any kind of proper evidence. Furthermore, there are vastly different depictions of God (s) so I don't think the atheist can 'win' with the goal posts constantly being moved.

 

For inconsistent philosophy you need to look no further than the mirror.

 

When I look in the mirror, I see the universe. Yes you are correct, I am one with inconsistent philosophy. I am one with everything.

The bigger picture that I see has room for God in it, which means more room for beauty also.

I am not apologetic about my sentience.