Isn't there a saying that you put a crim in jail and he only learns how to be a better criminal? And we handing them an hourly rate? I don't think so.
I'm not really looking at this from the perspective of prisoners learning a trade or blah blah blah, like its really going to help them get a job after prison anyways. I'm looking at this more as the US prison system providing corporations with access to slave labor. Its kind of alarming.
As it sits now the penal system is a failure. People who are sentenced to fairly short terms leave prison with little or no prospects as they have a record and employment is difficult. They served their time and often face fairly dismal futures. We wonder why there is a high rate of recurrence. There are some who will never seek a life outside and have no intention of leading a life without crime but there are also those who would like a shot at life on the outside. Those could benefit from useful practical skills.
i'm not sure why this would be humorous. we have a culture which encourages people not to behave themselves, or be considerate of anyone. and a cultural mythose that equates inconsiderateness with freedom. we have things it makes little sense to lock people up for, while people who do things they really need to be locked up for often go free. we even have abusive for profit prisons. of course poorer countries often have worse. but of well off countries, it seems our priorities are pretty screwed up.
Whole Foods Exploits Prison Labor, Rips You Off When I found this out I ruined my hardwood floor with the soaking of tears. I finally have managed to compose myself enough to type. Wait, wait, sorry, another crying fit... I will never go to Whole Foods again for that awesome cheese cake with the blue-berry topping. Evar-
A whole foods recently went in here. They just changed the sign from Safeway to Whole foods. It's still the same goddam food but slightly more expensive.
at .18 into it he says they pay $1.50 an hour, then it's .60 an hour, then it's .60 a day, and on top of it the moron can't even do simple math. ".60 a day, 8 hours people, that's less than 25 cents an hour" no shit Sherlock, even a second grader could figure out it's less than 10 cents an hour, actually it's a little less than .08 an hour. Wow, stupid people getting airtime again..
because the whole idea of "slave labor" is just fucking stupid, ill informed, uneducated and plain asinine and I always laugh at the ludicrously ignorant and stupid things ignorant and stupid people say. I guess the prisoners could always stay in their cells for 23 hours a day, that works too, then they wouldn't be getting exploited by anyone. I'm sure that would make you and the OP very happy, right?
Yeah, I went there to get some ice cream over the weekend and it was $5.99 for a 48 ounce container, so I went to Shaw’s Market and bought two 48 ounce containers for $2.99 each. Hotwater
It should be the state's responsibility to find work for prisoners, and judging by the condition of my state's roads, shouldn't be that hard to do. Its the fact that its a corporation already getting huge tax breaks, and in this case a corporation who often touts how well they treat and pay their employees, finding another excuse to avoid paying workers a decent wage, avoiding paying for benefits, and widening their profit margin. But that's okay, lets all support and perpetuate this idea that corporations are allowed to make profit their absolute bottom.line at the expense of the economy and the worker bees and give absolutely nothing back to society in return :rollseyes:
and further more, dont you think this is a dangerous precedent which will give other corporations incentive to avoid hiring full time employees at all (except for customer service jobs where a prisoner wouldn't be suitable) and just drawing on a rather large pool of American prisoners? And if that becomes a standard, then where is the incentive to change draconian laws often keeping non violent offenders locked up for years?
you misunderstand. My response was to the ludicrous remarks made about the entire country turning into slave labor and all the other lame conspiracy bullshit. I personally abhor the whole privatization of the prison systems as that is where all this exploitation has it's motivation. BUT on the flip side, they could be locked down for 23 hours a day, but then that would also violate their rights, so damned if ya do, damned if ya don't. I say let the prisoners decide. I imagine a lot of them would be rather pissed off if they lost the only means of work because of some bullshit that doesn't really impact the lives of those bitching and complaining about it.
I think it's important for prisoners to learn job skills. There's no better thing you can give to an incarcerated person! The only thing I ever get at Whole Foods is Milk or Ben & Jerry's. You ask why? Why buy your milk there when it's close to $.50 more than at the other place? Why buy your Ben & Jerry's there when it's like $1.50 more? The answer is I go there to treat myself to something. It's nice to be in that environment for me. I don't know what it is.. I guess I absorb some kind of culture when I go there. The same thing at Trader Joe's. The one thing I have noticed that I sort of hold against Whole Foods (besides that it's too expensive to buy groceries there), that the milk is always too close to the expiration date! I like when the milk is like two weeks out or so, not so middle of next week. It's really bad! Lol. Do you ever notice that some stores are always closer to the expiration date on their milk?
i usually look around the back of the shelf and pick the one with the latest possible expiration date (not just milk, but anything with an expiration date). if everyone does this, eventually this leaves milk with the closer dates.
You're in on it! Lol. Kidding. But seriously... I have had to ask someone to go around and get me one from the back so that I'm not sitting there going through the milk all day.