We've covered School shootings. Now lets tackle Chicago.

I said I have no problem in comparing other cities with Demographic comparisons. If you feel Oklahoma City has a crime problem like Chicago, then let's see how they compare. My selection if Atlanta etc was to address the component if white privelage as explained as a majority population and later retracted and replaced with who controls the money. So far what we found was the affected crime area if Chicago was not majority black, not until educated and not majority poor.

And I totally agree when an uneducated minority can make 5000 a week selling drugs we won't soon find he will want to go work at a McDonalds instead.

And I will totally agree that a stable traditional nuclear family seems to insure the kids follow a better pathway despite living in a crime dominated environment.

Care to explore the Demographics on the make up of stable nuclear families?

All races have been guaranteed equal access to education levels. Some are even given Affirimative Action preferences over others . So how is that working out?

None of the Black people I know have a background in crime, or are ear it now. All of them and their kids are fine upstanding people that are proud Americans. Some came from poverty or in the case of my g/fs family immigrated here for the opportunities provided them. And they flourished.

I'm glad to see that you have found evidence to suggest that it does appear to show, and in my experience that it does seem to have a common denominator. A stable nuclear family. That is not a racial thing, that's a culture thing. Now if a racial culture doesn't support that lifestyle, do we blame the culture or the races(es) that adopt that culture?

 

Just for reference -

https://statisticalatlas.com/place/Illinois/Chicago/Household-Income

Since I guess this thread is going to center around race anyways

Then we should probably note that that blacks have the lowest median income of all races in Chicago, lower than whites by a significant amount

Sorry if this has already been cited, I'm sure it has but I havent been following the thread that closely.

 

Except this isnt really true. I'm sure you know that the quality of a school depends on its tax base. Schools in low income areas generally perform lower than schools in high income areas

There are other factors that go into that too, of course. If a child doesnt have a parent at home to help them and to make sure they study, the child is less likely to perform well in school regardless of the school rating

But the end result is the same, high income areas are likely to result in higher performing schools and schools in low income areas get left behind.

Theoretically we should all have equal access to quality education but the reality doesn't work that way.

 

I could not have said it better.

 

Goes back to what I was saying about welfare incentivized broken black families. Mommas need to stop having 7 kids with 5 different daddies that dont contribute and sitting at home drawing their check in the mail from the government with no end in sight.

Best to get married before having kids and to have a job that can support kids.

Thats just a very simple and reliable equation for avoiding failure.

 

And somehow this is not black individuals fault. Its white peoples fault and "the system"

 

I'm just posting statistics, you are free to draw your own conclusion .

I look at it more as a negative feedback loop myself. A person growing up in poverty will be presented less opportunities than their wealthier peers and more chances for failure as well as less forgiveness when they do fail. It will always be harder for a poor person to succeed than someone who already has money. Doesnt mean it's impossible obviously, people pull themselves out of poverty every day and should be commended for it. But it does mean the cards are stacked against them from the beginning.

 

It's structural, not individualistic in nature. The very fabric of society is formed around racial issues. Think about job interviews, or legal disputes. We know that African Americans are on the losing side of so many of these, with very few exceptions.

 

We should really open our hearts to the idea that white poverty, though widespread and horrific, is not the same as black poverty.

 

This is what happens when you take responsibility away from individuals and put it on "the system"

Liberal activist raped in Haiti by black man. Vicitm blames it on "white men"

Liberal Activist Is Brutally Raped in Haiti by a Black Man – Blames White Men

 

Let's take in Haitian immigrants and rehabilitate them.

 

Believe it or not, haiti is a shithole country. Thats not racist thats realistic.

 

You're preaching to the choir on that one.

 

Rehabilitated? Well, now, let me see. You know, I don't have any idea what that means ... I know what you think it means, sonny. To me, it's just a made-up word. A politician's word, sonny. Young fellas like yourself can wear a suit and a tie and have a job. What do you really want to know? Am I sorry for what I did? ... There's not a day goes by I don't feel regret. Not because I'm in here. Because you think I should. I look back on the way I was then. A young, stupid kid who committed that terrible crime. I wanna talk to him. I wanna try to talk some sense to him. Tell him the way things are. But I can't. That kid's long gone and this old man's all that's left. I gotta live with that. Rehabilitated? That's just a bullshit word. So you go on and stamp your form, sonny, and stop wasting my time. Because, to tell you the truth, I don't give a shit.

 

I was using the term in the liberal sense. Sarcastically on my part.

 

But no one is saying that people aren't responsible for obeying the law. You're acting like there isn't something wrong structurally. I think there is.

 

You just complain about the system instead of being like, yeah Shaniqua you should probably not have 13 kids from 9 different daddies without a job. Your actions have an effect on you and your kids' life you cant just blame it all on the system and the white man. Stick your hand out asking for shit because of systemic injustices this and the white man that. How about no. How about keep your legs closed and get a job.

Actually they do it in the first place because they know the government will support them. They dont have to worry about being better

 

I was just quoting Shawshank Redemption.

 

You were using the term in the movie reference sense

 

This thread was about trying to figure out why Chicago with one if the most restrictive laws for gun ownership has the crime rate it does. It is suggested that your data suggest that blacks are poor, and therefore more prone to crime. So I'm very open to say it's about poor people committing crimes. Let's find some other cities with other poor races and see if that "poor" factor tracks to other races. Further let's find examples of black that hold higher economic status and see how that crime looks. I'm very open to the idea that crime and poverty go together. But as has been brought up in statistics, poor families that have traditional stable nuclear families show a 90% decrease in turning to crime no matter the economic standing.