Trump And The Nazis Are Winning, Soon It Really "did Not Happen"

Discussion in 'History' started by unfocusedanakin, Jul 7, 2017.

  1. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    And again, rather than question ore evaluate the events that actually took place, you merely attack the messenger

    Can you tell me a source that doesn't butter up the hard reality, by saying Islam is a religion of peace? A source that is free of bias and a 100% truth telling record? Of course not, because every source has a bias.

    It's politically incorrect to criticize islam, which is why so few journalists are ballsy enough to come out and make a statement about it.
     
  2. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    Fuck Islam. :)
     
  3. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Every source has a bias, but some scholars at least try to be objective. The sources you sited make no effort at that, but are instead devoted to stirring up fear and hatred of Islam and are not at all hesitant to shade the truth or downright lie. They churn out virulent propaganda that has no credibility. For more balanced, objective, views I'd recommend Tod Green's The Fear of Islam: An Introducion to Islamaphoia in the West, Amir Hussain's Muslims and the Making of America, Khaled Abou El Fadi, Westling Islam form the Extremists, Reza Aslan's No God But God, and Andrew Rippin's Muslims: Their Religious Beliefs and Practices. I think these will give you a different picture of Islam than the one you're getting from your propaganda sources. After those, you might try Islam for Dummies and The Complete Idiot's Guide to Islam. Or maybe you should read those first. And why not visit a mosque?
     
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  4. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    I've done that often enough before with your sources, as best anyone could, but they're factories of disinformation. It would be like saying of a National Enquirer story about a two headed baby with antlers or "Hillary is a 250 Year Old Vampire": "you must check into these to find out if they're true, or else believe them!" Pizzagate, here we come! You're simply a conduit for their Islamaphobic propaganda on these forums. Here are some you may have missed.
    https://inews.co.uk/opinion/top-ten-fake-misleading-news-stories-2017/
    The National Enquirer’s 5 most outrageous political “scoops”
     
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  5. NotMyRealName

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    No it's just you.
     
  6. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    Breitbart, Infowars, and Clearchannel have brain washed lots of trailer park residents in a way not much different from the Chinese Communist reeducation camps. Now it's all Bush is good! Gingrich is good! Ryan is good, Nunez is good! Obama is bad! Trump is good! Pocahontas is bad! They are so brain washed. They think Muslims took their jobs when the Muslims were more qualified. Most Muslims have master's degrees in computer science or the medical field. Muslims aren't unemployed meth heads who make up a large part of Trump's support base. They blame their misfortunate life on blacks, Mexicans, and Muslims when their own lack of education is at the root.
     
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  7. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    So tell us, what were your trying to say?
     
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  8. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    There seem to be three broad networks of Islamaphobic propaganda active at the present time: the Neocon/Zionist family ( including John Bolton's Gatestone Institute/Foreign Policy Council, Frank Gaffney's Center for Security Policy, Daiel Pipes' Middle East Forum, and David Horowitz's Freedom Center, with its affiliate Jihad Watch run by Robert Spencer); and the Ethno-nationalist AltRight-AltLite network (including Breitbart, Alex jones' Info-wars, Richard Spencer's National Policy Institute, and Ezra Levant's Rebel Media in Canada, and the irrepressible Lauren Southern Steve Bannon and Milo Yannopoulos), tied to ethno-nationalist counterparts in Europe, and highly sympathetic to Russia; and the Evangelical Christian group (including the ministries of Franklin Graham, Maury Davis' Cornerstone Chruch, and Stephen Anderson's Fiathful Word Baptists) And they churn it out anti-Muslim propaganda on a daily basis--the Neocon/Zionists to promote a right wing version of U.S. and Israel's interests in the Middle East, the Alt Right/AltLite bunch to advance the cause of North Atlantic ethno-nationalism, and the Evangelicals to bolster Christian Evangelical solidarity by focusing on an out group. Quite an industry of hate.
     
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  9. quark

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    How many millions have those sources you speak of killed?

    People over here usually respond with a polite smile, a nod of appreciation for at least being aware that something went on, and then kindly let you know that such "first world problems" (disinformation in the news over in the US... as if they are unaware of it happening in their own country) has little to do with their daily lives and that they are too busy trying to make due with what is available to spend time conjuring up comparisons involving trailer parks and the like.
     
  10. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    Don't forget Avi Lipkin aka Victor Mordachai and David Yarshelmi...both serious Muslim Haters and have advised the FBI in the past.
     
  11. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    In other words I understand you to say ,"White Nationalists are...?"
     
  12. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    Trump has inspired new forms of racism.
     
  13. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Who knows?. The body count from racism is difficult to determine and trace. Is killing millions your threshold for being concerned? We know that China under Mao killed some 40 milliom, so by that comparison, atrocities committed in other countries might seem trivial. Indirectly, by instigating hate leading to violence against mosques, individual Muslims, and even sikhs--not to mention those killed in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria because of Neocon philosophy--there is certainly a body count, and violence against Muslims in this country has been growing at an alarming rate in recent years.
    Hate Crimes Against American Muslims Most Since Post-9/11 Era
    Hate Attacks On Muslims in U.S. Spike
    Report: Anti-Muslim groups triple in U.S. amid Trump hate rhetoric
    Attacks Against US Muslims Growing in Frequency, Violence
    But that's not the critical issue. The rise of violent hate groups is, in itself, a problem for democracy in the United States. It's understandable that people in other countries far away who have problems of their own might be indifferent. This is something I'd take into account in deciding what weight, if any, to give to their opinions.
     
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  14. quark

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    Your words, not mine.
     
  15. quark

    quark Parts Unknown

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    Who knows? The sources mentioned were Breitbart, Infowars, and Clearchannel (Actually the first time I've heard of Clearchannel). My question was "How many millions have the sources you speak of killed?" Are you actually inferring there may have been at least 1 million killed because of any of those sources?

    No, that isn't my "threshold for being concerned". Maybe take a look in the mirror and ask yourself why you mentioned Mao and then pontificated (that's a funny word) on whether it may be OK to discredit foreigners opinions because they "live far away and have their own problems". Who are you? A guy that lives everywhere and has nothing going on? *Ding-dong* You are the foreigner with their own issues to someone else.
     
  16. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    Trump has absolutely no influence on me.
     
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  17. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    But you have the same level and type of racism or religionism. You did say FUCK ISLAM. Your own statement says it all about you.
     
  18. mallyboppa

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    are You a Muslim or Asian ?
     
  19. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    Yes sure thing. Like him you've never had anything good to say about Muslims.
    So you want to defend Muslim Haters?
     
  20. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    I'd have been saying fuck Islam well before I even knew who Trump was, and I only said it here because the above poster said everyone was too politically correct to say it. So I said it. You're just reading into things again, creating facades and falsehoods about my life. No different to the man you argue against really. Touche.

    Since Islamic is based on religious doctrines, I can't see how saying Fuck Islam is racist. Fuck Moslems, sure, but not Islam.
     
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