True Christians don't believe in the trinity

the true christian trinity is found in ancient egypt - amun ra ptah is the oldest trinity of egypt and all other trinitys are related - amun is the hidden aspect of god=the father , ra is jesus christ ,ptah is horus who is the reincarnation of ra and creator of the universe - the myth of osiris is about set (set is lucifer) and horus who is the 2nd coming of christ - the devil decieved the whole world and so did the jews with their false teachings

 

the true christian trinity is found in ancient egypt - amun ra ptah is the oldest trinity of egypt and all other trinitys are related - amun is the hidden aspect of god=the father , ra is jesus christ ,ptah is horus who is the reincarnation of ra and creator of the universe - the myth of osiris is about set (set is lucifer) and horus who is the 2nd coming of christ - the devil decieved the whole world and so did the jews with their false teachings

 

If you had posted your comment one more time you would have had a trinity of posts!

 

Haha, I would more likely use the term trifecta, haha.

 

Good point! :lol:

 

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Rev 3:14 -> In the NASV, there is a footnote on the word "begining" that also means it could be "origin" or "source" So in that regard it would mean that Jesus is the creator.

Col 1:15 -> I think here what I find most important is the wording "image of the invisible God". Here I think it clearly sets Jesus, who is the son, as the incarnation of the almighty/invisible god.

Pr 8:22 -> Ok, here I think yo finally got me on one. If the saying is refering to the Son then yes, there may be a "creative" nature to the wording, but there is no proof that the wisdom here is Jesus...

 

i haven't read this entire thread, just two pages. but i stopped reading so i could comment freshly without clouding my mind.

frankly i never understood the trinity. i go along with the concept at worship but i don't really get it even though it's been explained to me over and over, i still don't get it. i've prayed about understanding it, but god doesn't really open my eyes to it. father, son, holy ghost??????? is it important? is it a manmade concept?

i'm so greatful i read this question. i'm so greatful someone else questions the trinity .... or do you?

 

The trinity is not supposed to be understood logically. I do not simply accept it as truth because I am told to though. I have thought about it, and I think that to me it is the answer that makes the most sense with the assumptions that Jesus Christ is the Almighty God made human, etc...

 

I dont believe in the trinity..the word trinity is not in the bible and would not make sense for Jesus to pray to his father while he was here on earth if he himself was God.

 

hmmmm, this may be why i can't wrap my head around the concept.

 

I don't question the trinity, because, it is a manmade concept, so why bother questioning it.

Only man could come up with something so complicated and say it came from God.

Any concept that God wants us to know, God will simplify till even a babe can understand, thus the saying; out of the mouths of babes.

A good rule of thumb, anytime someone tries to tell you that something is a mystery of God that we just can't understand, stop and ask yourself, if someone told you that it was God's will that you kill yourself and you asked them why and they said it is a mystery of god that we just can't understand, would you kill yourself? Personally, I would say; “Lucy, you've got some ‘splaining to do!”

In other words the Bible seems pretty harmonious and easy to understand unless you say it teaches the trinity at which point a lot of what the Bible says doesn’t make sense anymore and becomes a mystery of God that we just can't understand.

So since the trinity is originally a pagan teaching and adding that concept to the Bible makes the Bible a mystery of God that we just can't understand, I would follow the rule that the Bible lays out:
"the things which the nations sacrifice they sacrifice to demons, and not to God; and I do not want YOU to become sharers with the demons. YOU cannot be drinking the cup of GOD and the cup of demons; YOU cannot be partaking of “the table of GOD” and the table of demons."
And leave the concept of the trinity out of my worship.

 

Well the Christiology is that The son emptied himself and became human flesh (while still retaining his divinity, hence the Transfiguration). So as "centrist" Christian teaching goes Jesus is 100% god and 100% man. My understanding of how the incarnation worked is that Jesus "surpressed" I guess you could say the divinity on Earth so he could be a better example of how to life your life. Jesus was tempted (I think people often forget this fact) and could very well have given into sin and probably thought he had at times--but the fact is Jesus remained sinless through obedience to God the Father and in the ressurection shed his humanity to take the form of God the Son. One being one essence with God the Father in the unity of the Holy Spirit. One God forever.

 

Amazing answers to the mystery of Godhead http://www.voiceofarchangel.com/topics1.php
this site approaches the topic with complete clarity quoting scriptural references

 

Well, I consider myself to be a Christian, because I accept Jesus and his teachings as the main guides for my life. I don't believe in the Trinity, because I know the history of the doctrine, and it had much to do with politics. The Bible certainly isn't clear about it (to say the least), and I think arguing and shedding blood over fine points of doctrine that nobody can understand or has evidence for is the very farthest from my conception of what Jesus and God are about. I can see some metaphorical value in it, but not enough to say "I believe this." I don't think Christianity is about believing the unbelievable. But I wouldn't say anyone who believes in the Trinity isn't a true Christian. Believing in God and Jesus are enough. Living it is better.

 

I don't think setting up sectarian arguments in any way, makes one superior in apprehending the presence of god.

 

I have to disagree. The Church teaches the doctrine of The Holy Trinity and the Bible has references (although not spelled out ones) to it's truth.

 

I think the confussion surrounding the trinity comes from a misunderstanding of what/who God is. God is in whom we live, move and have our being. God simply is. Yahweh means "God exists". Any type of definition or label skews the truth.

 

I recently watched Fr Robert Barron's Catholicism series, and he explained how the formulation of the Trinity necessarily flows from John's declaration that God is love. Not that love is an attribute of God (who is not simply some sort of being), but that the very nature of God is love.

http://payingattentiontothesky.com/2011/09/30/the-trinity-by-fr-robert-barron/

The other thing I loved Fr Barron said is that once you think "I have it; this is it; this is what God is like" is precisely the moment you do not have it.

 

Saying "I have it" is kind of like taking a picture of a sunset, and instead of watching the really thing you gaze at the photo instead. Concepts of God are just frozen images in the mind, but his presence is always there.

 

You are correct although only if you are not referring to a set deity. The deity of the Tanakh was very well thought out and displayed. Originally it was though to be both male and female, divine and devil.