the magnificent border wall

Discussion in 'Politics' started by egger, Jan 15, 2018.

  1. Meliai

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    I was just stating a fact. If there is a huge difference in polling then that should be kept in mind when considering the results of both polls. I don't "pick" one or the other
     
  2. NotMyRealName

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    Could be. I just know that everyone but CNN seem to be saying that Trump is gaining approval and not losing it.

    Yet I'm reminded that all the polls said he had a 92% chance of losing the presidential election. So there's that
     
  3. NotMyRealName

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    Yes Gallup fact. So other results are not fact?
     
  4. Meliai

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    That's not what I mean, you're being unnecessarily argumentative

    There's always a margin of error, neither poll could possibly be 100% factual.
     
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    And he lost the popular vote, which is what national polls predict, not electoral votes.

    It also became very close right before the election due to Comey coming out and reopening the Clinton Email thing which polls didn't have time to account for.l
     
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  6. NotMyRealName

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    My point is what is fake and what isn't? There are many ways to poll data. All could be correct in thier own means. Yet vastly different results.
     
  7. Meliai

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    Right, that's my point too.
     
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  8. NotMyRealName

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    Be that as it may. 92% ain't a few points difference that could be last minute variations.
     
  9. wooleeheron

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    I Can't Hear You!!!

    If its all fake news, then the joke is,
    Everybody is screaming and nobody is listening,
    And, you may as well be arguing with a computer.
    Explaining why so many people are voting,
    For whichever clown screams the loudest,
    Because they've all plugged their ears,
    Shouting, "I Can't Hear You!!!"
    Building a wall between them.
    Building walls around ghettos,
    Building walls across boarders,
    Building walls across the bridges,
    Building walls over most entrances,
    Building walls around their own hearts,
    Building walls within the foggiest depths,
    Building walls, between north and south,
    Building walls around gated communities,
    Building walls, around their stock markets,
    Building walls around every federal building,
    Building walls, between the rich and the poor.
    The faster the money keeps floating to the top,
    The louder they scream and the higher the walls.
    The Chinese build enough walls to circle the earth,
    No less than 26 times, but all turned out to be in vain,
    For there is no denying the earth remains the mother of all.​
     
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    google earth tells me this wall is impossible. some places are vast areas of desert with no roads or anything for coyotes to travel on. what point would building wall there be, other than an eye sore.
     
  11. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    The Chinese build enough walls to circumnavigate the earth 26 times, but they could not even prevent armies of millions from riding right over them, herding them like so many cattle on the open plains. The walls are no different from any other monument to civilized stupidity.
     
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  13. Okiefreak

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    The Rasmussen polls consistently track higher for Republicans than all the other polls. They consistently showed high approval for Romney, too. Rasmussen is to polling as Fox is to news--i.e., entertainment.
    Donald Trump tweet on 50% approval cherry-picks polling data
    Scott Rasmussen: The most biased pollster in America
    Note about Rasmussen
    Rasmussen Polls Were Biased and Inaccurate; Quinnipiac, SurveyUSA Performed Strongly

    Real Clear Politics, which leans right, has a summary of several polls. As you can see, Rasmussen is the outlier.
    All President Trump Job Approval Polling Data
    % Appr've-Disapprve
    RCP Average 3/16 - 4/1 -- A 41.8 D 53.2 -11.4
    Harvard-Harris 3/27 - 3/29 1340 RV A44 D56 -12
    Rasmussen Reports 3/27 - 4/1 1500 LV A50 D49 +1
    Gallup 3/25 - 3/31 1500 A A39 D55 -16
    Economist/YouGov 3/25 -3/27 1330 RV A41 D 54 -13
    IBD/TIPP 3/22 - 3/29 902 A A38 D56 -18
    Reuters/Ipsos 3/23 - 3/27 1392 RV A41 D55 -14
    PPP (D) 3/23 - 3/25 846 RV A39 D54 -15
    CNN 3/22 - 3/25 913 RV A43 D53 -10
    Marist 3/19 - 3/21 1015 RV A42 D51 -9
    FOX News 3/18 - 3/21 1014 RV A45 D52 -7
    CNBC 3/17 - 3/20 801 A A39 D50 -11
    Quinnipiac 3/16-3/20 1291 RV A40 D53 -13
     
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  14. NotMyRealName

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    As I previously explained (Listen closely). That 92% you tout was not an approval rating but a projection (actually 90%) based on polling on Sunday before theTuesday election. Trump’s chances rested with his performance in Florida, Michigan, North Carolina and Ohio, which were too close to call on Sunday, when polling ended, and Pennsylvania, where Clinton enjoyed a slim lead of three percentage points. For Trump to win, he would have to take most of those states. He did. Much depends on voter turnout, which is unpredictable. Clinton has 90 percent chance of winning: Reuters/Ipsos States of...
     
  16. NotMyRealName

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    I never said it was an approval rating. It was a projected election outcome.

    From your link:

    NEW YORK (Reuters) - With hours to go before Americans vote, Democrat Hillary Clinton has about a 90 percent chance of defeating Republican Donald Trump in the race for the White House, according to the final Reuters/Ipsos States of the Nation project.

    However you want to argue this isn't a 90% chance of Clinton winning is your time and energy. It did not say 100% so it is not wrong in anything it states. That should allow you to be right somehow.
     
  17. Okiefreak

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    What point were you trying to make?
     
  18. NotMyRealName

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    Listen closely. I never said it was an approval rating. Somehow you posted otherwise. As even you can plainly see you did. You are either trying to tell me what I was saying, or you are just trying to convince everyone of alternate facts.
     
  19. Okiefreak

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    You haven't answered the question. You said: "I just know that everyone but CNN seem to be saying that Trump is gaining approval and not losing it.Yet I'm reminded that all the polls said he had a 92% chance of losing the presidential election. So there's that". You seem to be conflating approval ratings with a forecasting, and trying to discredit political polling. What point were you trying to make? Why does it matter to you or us that somebody predicted a couple of days before the election that there was a 90% chance Hillary would win? What larger significance does that have for us? Why would you bring it up? What does it have to do with Trump's crowing about his popularity on the basis of one opinion poll relating to his approval ratings? If a weather forecaster says there's a 90% chance it will rain tomorrow and it doesn't, does that discredit the weather forecaster? Or weather forecasting in general? And would it discredit a poll on whether or not it's raining now?
     
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    that is exactly the truth. I forget the exact year, 2050?, that whites become a minority.

    ignorance is bliss, dude.

    I will point out, once again, that forty percent of people who receive government assistance are, wait for it. . . . . . . . . white.
    Yeah, let's deport all the illegal farmworkers, and then watch the price of food sky rocket. The biggest complainers would be, wait for it. . . . white people.
     

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