The Lsd Industry.

For curiosity's sake. But I guess I already know the answer. The drugs are trafficked by drug traffickers (by definition). How many of them are involved in organized gangs? I really don't know. But I do know a couple people that have said they got their stuff from biker guys and I know some Rainbow guys that also said they had affiliations with biker gangs.

 

The thing about the biker gangs and psychedelic dealers robbing college kids is, what the fuck are you talking about?

The wrong kind of people do anything they can get into - but that's not what it's all about or how it works, that's your kind trying your hand at it - stay out, we don't want you or your hells angels or whatever.

Yeah, organized crime tends to commit crimes - but we'd rather not have people like you or your buddies anywhere near psychedelics or their distribution. In the US there's been an uneasy alliance between hippies and bikers, they might distribute some drugs, and people who break the law all tend to know each other, doesn't mean it's run like a corporation.

Yeah, pickard (while he should obviously be free) did some stupid shit and got up to some stupid shit - just like with your biker buddies, he did illegal things because he was a trust fund baby who wanted to get up to no good, not because he built an empire out of it or anything - he never even sold a batch, so far as I know. He was rich and wanted to make acid, he did not get rich off of acid.

The general answer is that there is no LSD industry, or psychedelic industry. Some people make some money, maybe it even buys them new cars or something, but generally it's done because people want to make and want to spread these substances - maybe some want to spread enlightenment and the hells angels want to spread discord, but one way or another, the motivation is not in the profits. The proof is in the profits - speed or coke or opiates make giant profits, acid makes nearly none by comparison. The heaviest user spends a fraction of what a junkie would, and the profits really only exist for the guy on the bottom, it doesn't go back up the ladder. Having taken a bazillion hits or whatever, you should know this.

 

I don't have any biker buddies. I know there is a lot of money to be made by dealing it at the retail level. A retail hit went for $10, while a person just one or two steps up the chain could buy a whole sheet for less than $100.

Obviously, the market is the college kids and hippies wanting to expand their minds.

All I know is that there would be times when the town was seemingly dry for a month, then all of a sudden there would be people talking about "bibles" left and right and if you hung around the right people, you couldn't avoid it if you tried.

I know that some of the kids that were hooked up with the higher level dealers would often tell stories of getting pistol whipped, etc.

So who are these great traffickers of LSD? Back in the day, I probably thought they were gods among men.

But come to think of it, they may just be some dirty guys in trailers. That guy Pickard looks like a psycho and I have never seen a biker guy that I would want to hang out with for too long at a time.

I think the uneasy alliance is that the bikers are the suppliers and the hippies are the customers.

That being said, I might want to trip one or two more times. Or maybe just once per year or something. There's no need to get all into it like I was.

Prison is no fun. Although it's actually not that bad if your still have a good hallucinogen trip going on.

 

What's ten dollars at the retail level? What's someone selling some acid while they're in college? Oh, they sold a sheet, they have pot money now?

Yeah, as you say, up the chain, it's nearly worthless - bikers are not trafficking acid, or not in any profit-motivated way - have you ever heard of methamphetamine? They sell drugs that actually make money, that are easy to make from easily available chemicals, that are addictive and keep their users coming back and binging constantly as long as they can get their hands on money etc.

You don't make acid to make money - you could make more money on shake 'n bake meth in 2 liter bottles, than a whole legit acid operation would ever make.

Yes, when it comes around it comes around, what the hell's your point? It's dry, and then someone moves some, and an area stops being dry, and then it gets used up, and the cycle repeats.

Who the fuck is getting pistol whipped over acid? You met some liars, or some people who knew small-time thugs who tried to make acid into something it is not. Criminals try to make money on illegal things, that doesn't mean that's the usual, or that it even could be, with something like acid. I don't know, maybe it happens - but people with acid are usually not even remotely that type.

So who are they? They're people who want to make acid, who want a lot of people to take acid, who want to spread acid, who want to drop their own pure acid, etc.. I already explained while bikers may supply acid, nobody's a customer in the sense that anyone makes much money - and there may be (are) people affiliated with groups like the hells angels who make things like acid, but no braindead meth-addled biker brute is making any acid, I promise.

Acid is not something you traffic in trucks or that you guard with a lot of guns. You can send a flat rate envelope, and move more doses than all the hell's angels could collectively imagine.

And no, you should not be tripping.

 

Have you ever personally known someone who made acid?

I see what you're saying that it's not a money-maker like meth is, so it wouldn't make sense for it to be the core of a gang's operation.

 

Nope. At this point in my life, I wouldn't really want to know, even if I knew the person in a different context.

You can get pistol whipped at a bar, or a shoe store - but that doesn't mean that the whiskey or leather shoe industries are inherently violent and run by biker kingpins - just that some toy thugs thought they'd play thug. Real traffickers of anything don't want to conduct risky 1-time robberies of their would-be customers, they want to keep selling the (valuable) stuff, and keep making money.

 

Do you think it's true that most of the acid is made by a handful of chemists on the west coast? Or do you think there are 1000s of chemists all over the country?

Yea and it was probably some "amateur thug" trying to be a hard-ass, but that still doesn't mean he isn't pistol-whipping someone...

 

I think that some combination of those explanations, and many more besides, is probably closer to the truth.

I'm not saying that violent scum are not a problem wherever they may be, but they're still not deeply linked with acid - they may well have never had it, and just said what it took to get someone to bring money to a setup.

 

If you still take acid, do you think that the last hits you had ever were in the hands of any "violent scum?" They might be hard to avoid in a business like that.

 

I do not in any active way, but I know that what I took was not.

I already explained why that type of person is not hard to avoid in conjunction with acid. First of all, the people from your story knew so little about acid that they thought it'd be a better idea to bring a firearm and assault somebody, than to just pass off blank paper.... just random opportunistic criminals, not anyone in the acid "business" (of course, I already explained why it's not much of a business).

 

Please.... Defend yourself.

 

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not anymore.
the majority of good LSD is coming out of Europe/Eastern Europe, then Canada, then the U.S. The D.E.A. website is an absolute joke and often their statistics are old.

The Pickard fiasco pulled the floor out from LSD manufacturing in the states. At his peak, Pickard was making more LSD than all other labs combined and was the #1 producer in the world.

your whole conception of how/what goes on is absolutely laughable.
Most hardcore biker gangs are not into LSD, except maybe as an opportunistic venture, but I'm confidant in saying most make $$$ through meth manufacture and sales as it is much cheaper and easier to make with a rabid market.
LSD not so much.
LSD is not really a viable money making venture unless you can produce kilos of finished product consistently.
So any and all of your questions/thoughts concerning violent gangs making/distributing LSD are infantile at best.


The most violent thing I have ever encountered concerning dealers was when we were at our "connections" house purchasing a few vials and some idiot started to pound on the door demanding his money back because the LSD was bunk.
So to put his doubts to rest, they held him and squirted about half a vial in his mouth and sent him on his way.
Not exactly cool and loving, but I will admit that asshole had it coming.
And there were a bunch of peace loving OH's. (Original Hippy)
Besides that, it has always been rather mellow.
That was San Fransisco, 1979


beyond that Richard, the majority of this is a joke and your take on things, not just this thread, is very juvenile, are you sure you meet the minimum age requirement to be a member here?

 

I doubt it if it hasn't happened yet....