The End of Slavery, Let the Machines do the Work

Discussion in 'The Future' started by FinShaggy, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. FinShaggy

    FinShaggy Banned

    Fully Unemployed Society

    This has been a dream of man since the dawn of civilization. Even the Egyptians had slaves to do their work, so that they could live more comfortable lives. They even considered their Egyptian language (or Ma'at) to be magical, because not only could it put their mindscape into reality, it could get things done through orders and chain of command.

    Slavery

    Slavery was the first attempt to “let the machines do the work”, but slaves are PEOPLE, so that doesn't work. I even believe that animals should be liberated and humans should be taught to communicate through body language with animals. Slavery seemed to work for a long time, because social systems allowed it to. Just as society allows industrial slavery today

    Industrialization

    Industry changed everything, a machine could do the work of 1,000 men. But it started even before that. Feudalism, and cottage industry. There are still examples of this today, but it has mostly died out except among middle class Americans. Cottage industry is where a town agrees to make something for a company, say mittens. So they knit mittens, and at the end of the month the company comes by, buys all the mittens, then sells them for more somewhere else. That is cottage industry. Feudalism is where 1 man owns a piece of land and allows others to live on his land for a price. In the past people would do this in an attempt to make money for themselves (usually floundering under the taxes of a king or government), but now people seem satisfied to do it for no profit, and example being: Home Owners Associations
    When machines started being built though, even cottage industry and feudalism were wiped out. Whoever owned the land could demolish the cottages or farms, build one giant factory or plantation, and pay one 'industrial slave' (and usually his family) to run the machines, and earn the money. So textile mills, companies like Dole, steel mills, railroads and everything popped up.
    But this was still not a means to “let the machines do the work”, even though it was an attempt. There are still people in the middle struggling for income. It even got so bad they had “industry towns”, which were just over crowded ghettos where the employers forced their employees to live. They got paid money that could only be spent at shops on company property, and most of their checks went straight back to their employers for rent. We haven't gotten very far away from that, and that was less than 200 years ago.

    Slave to the Dollar

    Now we aren't forced to live in industry towns, and work in steel mills. But the average Wal Mart emplpoyee still qualifies for welfare, and we don't blame Wal Mart for the excess of welfare recipients. And, most people don't like their jobs and would rather not work them, but they don't leave because of the almighty dollar
    In the 1960s groups like YIP or the Youth International Party supported the idea of a fully unemployed society.

    The Solution

    Mining.
    Mine COINS. Let the machines do the work. True, you have to get funding, but there are websites where you can ask for funding, and you can try to do something to earn coins to fund your mining.
    But this is FINALLY the solution, our society has discovered how to “let the machines do the work”. Mine coin, support the coin economy when you have excess money. And everyone can live happily, with a means of income brought to them basically for free.
    EVERY other time one of these revolutions has taken place in any society, someone gets left behind or put in a lower class, or considered the machines…
    This time NO ONE should be left behind. Don't be greedy, help save the world.
    Machines already produce most of our stuff. Cars, other machines, toys, money. Machines could do all that work still, we just need a few inventions in between the humans at the factories and the machines that already exist. If we work towards a fully unemployed society, eventually the only jobs left are: Mechanic, Inventor and Specialized jobs.
    Meaning:
    1. Everyone would have a machine that they repaired, or checked on. (even through a webcam as long as it's working)
    2. Some people invent new machines, and new things for people to do.
    3. Some jobs will still be necessary, until a machine is invented for them. Ex: Brain surgeon.

    Currently

    Everyone could make a pretty good extra income right now, and we could solve a lot of poverty, hunger, education and child care issues simply by WORKING TOWARDS and unemployed society, I understand that it will not actually be fully unemployed for a long time.
    We could basically become a society of businessmen (traders) and inventors, that have knowledge of mechanics and engineering. Like America started out as.
    The goal isn't to mine and sit on your ass for the rest of your life while the machines do more mining to make you money to live on.
    The idea is to mine, then make money, then use that money to put real life applications into place. Invention is the only one that I have mentioned, but there are plenty of other ways to start your own company, or publish your own book/magazine, start your own website, make your own movie, run a political campaign, start a charity.
    Make the world a better place by mining.
    Ex: Police are meant to be a TRANSPARENT part of society, meaning: As long as you are not an outlaw, you should not see police officers on a regular basis, yet they prey upon the regular citizens like tigers hiding in the brush. (giving tickets)
    Yet,

    These “guardian citizens” are awarded with free:
    • Cruisers
    • Computers
    • Guns
    • Headquarters
    • Printing Equipement
    • and much more, at our expense and to prey upon us with
    Then when they arrest us, they can put us in the inmate worker program.
    Why are NONE of these things provide for us. Why is there no library for cars?
    If we provided for each other, instead of going through the middle man (government/taxes). WE WOULDN'T BE PEASANTS ANYMORE.
    “Full unemployment” is a work in progress, of course it can not work in todays society. We have to work towards it.

    Arguments

    • 1
    Q: “What about the people who provide food and shelter? You are saying they shouldn't be paid? That they have to work for nothing?”

    A: “Maybe they should just mine, and make those free houses into mining pools.”
    • 2
    Q: “I don't think you understand what 'free' means.”
    A: “It means you pay for the electricity, you mine the coins, but you give some shit away for free.”
     
  2. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

    well you know, we've actually had the means to do that for a long time. but its one of those things that don't happen for reasons that have nothing to do with the state of technology.

    there are people who think they are doing the world a favor by not wanting other people to have it easy. of course they have no objection to having it easy themselves. they just want to keep everyone else screwed up so they can imagine doing so somehow makes them better then everyone else.

    that's one motivation. another is attachment to what we're familiar with. which i'm not saying is always a bad thing, just also not always a good one.

    the biggist one though is those pesky illusions of symbolic value. that somehow giveng little green pieces of paper a lot of company in a few places instead of a little company in a lot of places, is worth more then the kind of world real people really have to live in.

    economic fanatacism has thus become the same kind of barrier to scientific and technological advancement, that religious fanatacism had been in the middle ages, and capital economics had once played a major role in overcoming.
     
  3. ThePoetSappho

    ThePoetSappho Driftwood Lifetime Supporter

    reminds me of The Venus Project
     
  4. Orison

    Orison my dog is full of stars Staff Member Super Moderator

    op dont know shit about machines.. probably watched the Terminator to much..
     
  5. Agathodaimon

    Agathodaimon Guest

    There are too many stupid people/problems for these sorts of solutions to work
     
  6. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

    perhaps not specifically as proposed in the o.p., but more generally in concept, solutions are possible, which do not depend upon universal genius, or even universal honesty and good intentions.

    our current system of worshiping money is not one of them, neither are any of the other currently major ideologies, economic systems, nor beliefs.
     
  7. Harpo

    Harpo Member

  8. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

    not a lack of technological capacity, but of cultural will. stupid people? yes and no. 'smart' people, choosing 'stupid' priorities.
     
  9. OddApple

    OddApple Member

    I am not sure about philosophies but that part about not needing humans to do the work anymore you would think scare the skin off of people with the brain of a canoli. Oh well (eeeek)
     
  10. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

    and precisely why would that be? to me, you are expressing a philosophy. there are implications and effects which could happen and could be something to worry about, but in and of themselves, are neither a result of the machines themselves nor inevitable. only the probable outcome of the combination of that mechanical capacity, which already exists, and has for some decades now, and the culture which has currently dominated western 'civilization' for a somewhat less then the last three or four hundred years.
     

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