The Bible, the Papacy and the Church

This, in of itself, does not proscribe contraception

As for this, some would say that by acting contrary to the purpose of brother-in-law marriage, Onan demonstrated disrespect for his father. In disobedience to his father’s command, he selfishly held back from preserving Er’s family line. This was also an expression of hatred for Er, as Onan worked, not for, but against his dead brother’s interests. Onan callously disgraced his brother’s widow. He selfishly laid bare her nakedness but withheld from her the rightful due of motherhood. He also showed that he had no appreciation for “sacred things,” as there was a possibility that the promised Messiah would have come through the offspring he might have fathered by means of Tamar. (Compare Hebrews 12:16.) All these factors reveal that Onan was a wicked man who had no regard for the interests of others when his own interests seemed to be at stake. It is because of the baseness of Onan’s reason for failing to give offspring to his dead brother that Jehovah slew him and not for the practice of contraception.

There does not appear to be any rejection by Judah to perform bother-in-law marriage in this case. Judah, as the father, was under not under obligation himself to perform it and when fooled into doing so, indicated that he had failed to do what is right in this matter, providing his son as promised and not that he had rejected God's command.

 

Okay.

 

Seeing as these things were not being used in worship but to cure ailments, this does not seem to give a reason for physical things to be used in worship.

Seeing as neither of these involve Christians, I don’t see that they are telling Christians to use them in their worship.

 

Perhaps in Christendom, that is true but for those who don’t believe that the “crucifix”, Christ or not, should not be used in worship, I do not believe that is the case.

 

So even though God loves certain smells, it is wrong for us--his children--to offer them to him? What is good for angels to give God is wrong for us to give God?

It seems like you are proposing a bigger break with the Law. Christians are not under obligation to the Law, but is it not still righteous to follow...or does God change?

 

God loves certain smells? Do really think God can smell let alone have a favorite smell? Do you really think that in heaven there are smells and things can burn, seeing as this is in the book of Revelation don't you think that these things could have been symbolic of something else?

So you think it's still okay to stone people to death? Christians are not under obligation to the Law but yes, the principles are still valid.

So the point is not to do the things as described in the Law but to understand the basic principles behind the Law and use those to guide your life.

Ask yourself what purpose did the burning of incense have and what did it picture? Then ask yourself, how can I apply those principles in my life?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajGrvGLnzvc"]YouTube- Is Polygamy a sin?

 

What did that have to do with anything?

 

i was just referring that to the whole "how come priest dont marry " question i had earlier...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LoYNpaKA5c"]YouTube- CATHOLIC LYING BIBLES

so is this guy lying??

 

Luke 2:30-33 (New King James Version)

30 For my eyes have seen Your salvation
31 Which You have prepared before the face of all peoples,
32 A light to bring revelation to the Gentiles,
And the glory of Your people Israel.”

33 And Joseph and His mother[a] marveled at those things which were spoken of Him.

 

WTH???

http://www.catholicscomehome.org/

no thanks...

 

An-Nahl

And they will offer (their full) submission to Allâh (Alone) on that Day, and their invented false deities [all that they used to invoke besides Allâh, e.g. idols, saints, priests, monks, angels, jinn, Jibrael (Gabriel), Messengers] will vanish from them. (87) ​

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The guy in your video is a dope.

Look at the Greek. OWB, could you back me up here to. The Greek calls Joseph "father" in Luke 2:33.

Also, he has no idea what the "Dark Ages" were. The Dark Ages were simply a time when we do not have too many textual sources. They are Dark because we do not have much evidence.

Philosophy: Paul's anti-philosophical bit in Colossians is is saying that it is Jesus that saves us, the grace of God saves us and not Hedonism or Epicurianism, or whatever. Logic and reason to inform our faith on the other-hand are good.

OWB would half-agree to this statement, that the Trinity is not clearly stated in Scripture (he would probably say that it is not stated at all). Well through logic and reason the Bishops of the church were able to defend orthodoxy against the Arian heresy.

 

Other than being Catholic (so you do not like it) what is wrong with it?

Or is it just because it is Catholic?

 

j.k.

 

Please read the guidelines for Sanctuary:
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=237087&f=467
where it says: I've decided to establish this sanctuary for Christians only, so that they can have a non-confrontation place to discuss their religion.

Now most of us in Sanctuary don't mind the occasional non christian commenting as long as they don't get too confrontational but you seem to be using Sanctuary for promoting Islam and the Quran and this is just not the place for that.

 

Sorry I didn't watch the video but I will back you up that the Greek word used in Luke 2:33 is "father" and is referring to Joseph.

Yes I would half agree, the word trinity is no where to be found in the Bible and at best is only poorly stated in the Bible, if at all. One would imagine that something so clearly a departure from what God's people believed the Hebrew scriptures to say about who God is, would be more clearly defined and stated as a departure of what was believed, perhaps with some references as to how the Hebrew Scriptures also revealed the trinity as well.

 

i haven't, but you are entitled to your opinion (fear)

 

You haven't, interesting.

I would say that posting quotes from the Quran is pretty close to using Sanctuary for promoting Islam and the Quran.

As for "fear" I do not fear Islam, although I find it interesting that you would bring up fear when you talk about how someone should feel when discussing Islam with you.

But in any case, the guidelines for Sanctuary are pretty specific and it doesn't appear that you are following them.