Support the Troops?

Discussion in 'Protest' started by skip, Jan 30, 2007.

  1. wallaby

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    In relation to the basic wage in the US, what does a soldier in Iraq earn? Is there social security in the USA? What does that provide?
     
  2. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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  3. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    You're damn straight, mandell.

    It is a crying shame the veterans of this nation are dumped upon by the very ones who pat them on the back when they are doing their will and call them "America's Heroes".

    If Bush & Co. REALLY believed that, the veteran would have ALL needs taken care of in a kingly fashion by the government.

    But, they don't believe it. They give you an "atta boy" and a little medal (if you're lucky) when you damn near getting your ass blown off, then when the HERO is back home they COMPLETELY IGNORE their needs.
     
  4. Haid

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    I agree with you. It is a crying shame that Veterens are not treated with more respect. I don't see many here saying anything more then they are a bunch of killers. I think the idea of this thread is that they deserve nothing and are a bunch of sadistic assholes looking for money at the cost of human lives?
     
  5. mandell

    mandell Banned

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    I support those who use their minds to think for themselves. Unlike, some mindless automatons we have in this country.
     
  6. Haid

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    You support those who are on your side. Surprising!
     
  7. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    I support anyone's decision not to go into Bush's grist mill, but I also see the hypocrisy of those people who claim they "support the troops" and fail to do any damn thing to aid them once they are back home.

    It's a farce. Their "support" is pure bullshit.
     
  8. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    It's not about "serving your country". Your country is not a real living breathing entity, just an ILLUSION. It's impossible to serve something that isn't a living entity.

    Good People serve their FELLOW MAN, not ILLUSIONS.

    You can't serve your fellow man by KILLING and maiming innocent people half-way around the world.

    The arrogance and self-righteousness with which you say "I serve my country" is the result of generations of brainwashing.

    No doubt your family is "Christian", and thus you feel superior not only to your fellow "Americans" who aren't Christian, but certainly to those of other religions who aren't American. Thus you can boldly go off and kill them without a second thought, right?

    Christian self-righteousness added to military self-righteousness is the formula for the NEW CRUSADE, which no doubt your family welcomes.

    You probably also see biblical prophecies being fulfilled and feel you are also on a religious mission as well. So you're not just serving your Country, you're also serving your God (another Illusion).

    So we are just supposed to stand by and watch while your kind sets back American diplomacy and good will so far that our country won't recover any respect from the world in this generation.

    But much worse is your kind is truly bringing us to edge of the abyss, blind to the truth - that all this is UNNECESSARY and counter-productive.

    You will blindly follow where your corporate puppets tell you to go, to kill, to die and you do it willingly.

    We have a term for that here...
    Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

    It's time to cull the spring lambs...

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  9. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    OK, so that means after your first month (boot camp), you are making $32,000 a year! No, that's not much money at all, right? Esp. for a guy just out of high school. How's that compare to the alternative - $5.85 an hour (about $12,000 a year gross) at Walmart or Mcdonalds, with no future?

    So DON'T LIE To us and tell us that military pay is low, cause it AIN'T!

    Today's enlistees are doing it for the MONEY! Don't fucking LIE!

    Maybe if you're making $100,000+ it don't look like much, but for an 18 yr old $32,000 is big bucks, if you weren't born with a silver spoon!
     
  10. dudenamedrob

    dudenamedrob peace lily

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    My wife and I have a combined income of about $28,000 (after being RAPED by the govt) We live very well, we're not in need for anything, my income pays the monthly bills, we save half her income, and play with the rest.
     
  11. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    Yeah, Rob, so an 18 yr old enlistee is making more than BOTH OF YOU combined.

    How's that make you feel?

    Shit they make more than me, a computer professional with more than 20 yrs experience... Where do I sign up?

    The point is MONEY IS THE BIG INCENTIVE for most who signup.

    BTW, I should also mention that the reason people RE-UP, over and over is clearly revealed by those paid grades in that link.

    You can be making $55,000 a year plus bennies after a few tours of duty and paygrade promotions.

    But guess what? As much as that is, those who serve HALLIBURTON (not their "country"), get paid at least THREE TIMES AS MUCH as soldiers doing the same work. And yes, WE PAY FOR THOSE CORPORATE MERCENARIES TOO.

    If you want to know how much it costs to induce a young man to become a KILLER, now you know.

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  12. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    What an indepth response! You win the argument. :)
     
  13. mandell

    mandell Banned

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    Ah! That's where we differ.
    I use my mind to think and make my own decisions.


    You, on the other hand, support everything that your daddy Bush tells you to.
    Even the lies...


    You've been out in the yard playing too many games of cops and robbers, cowboys and Indians. Black versus white.


    Perhaps, it's time to grow up. Do you still believe in "Santa Claus"? : )
     
  14. Haid

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    Nope, atheist, sorry to break your assumptions.

    There are many that serve an idea not an individual, that is kind of the basis of the US.

    Ok, I never said everything the government says is true. I never said the government was perfect either.

    Not even sure what you are talking about here. I already stated that I don't think one side is "right", just that both sides think they are and one will win in the end.

    Yea, now theres some debating skills.
     
  15. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    You and the four generations of military men you mentioned are all atheists?
     
  16. mandell

    mandell Banned

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    haid, if you and the military used a fraction of the brainpower you guys expend butt-fucking each other in your barracks, or worse, raping and murdering Iraqi children, instead, to run the war more precisely and intelligently, then trust me, this damn war would have been over, long time ago. LoL.

    no, i don' support military war-mongering pigs, war whores, war freaks, child rapists/murderers, racist neo-Nazi punks in U.S. military uniform. they're scum.
    to me, they're no different from the bad guys they're supposed to be fighting against.
     
  17. Haid

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    My Grandfather believed in god but was not a Christian. He more believed in god without the religious instatuition behind it. My Great Grandfather I am unsure. My father and I are both atheists. I don't beleive in blindly following anything. Even if I did choose a different path then you, it wouldn't discredit me anyway.

    When you can manage to come up with anything half way intelligible, I might consider a response. Its a good thing you do sit around not effecting the world too much.
     
  18. Loveminx

    Loveminx Sports Racer

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    All the guys I know that want to be in the Army either do it for money or as a form of suicide. Let's leave the "serving your country" shit out of this.

    And even the "support your troops" stuff is all bs anyway too.
    This country treats veterans like crap and leaves them broken.

    I'm sick of all the articles about vets from this war complaining about how the country screwed them over, especially in medical service...duh.
    My gawd, did they really think the govt. sees them as heroes?
    People have way too much optimism and naivety.
     
  19. Zoomie

    Zoomie My mom is dead, ok?

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    And on this site, freedom of speech or not, people spew far too much hate to call themselves "hippies".

    It's angry, hate-filled people like some of you that killed the organized peace movement in the 70s. Bombing recruiting stations, government offices, violent protests. You judge people because they have a different set of values and profess your hate for them. You're no better that the people you detest.

    Whatever happened to peaceful protest? Whatever happened to non-violence? Whatever happened to loving EVERYONE???

    Shame on you.

    EDIT: I'm glad some of you can survive on what you make. You don't have to buy uniforms which are expensive. No, they don't give them to you and they do wear out. You don't have to buy some of your equipment because there isn't funding for them. You're not trying to continue your education. And you're not living in a high cost area, which most military bases are simply because the local economy knows you have a steady paycheck. Not everyone lives in post housing. Few of you have ever been there so you don't really know, you just read something on the internet that says the average 18 year old E3 makes 32K. Try feeding 2 kids and paying rent on 32K. You can't. And since he has no time in grade nor time in service he probably makes less. And let's not forget that 20% of that 32K is paid out in taxes and such.

    Finally, thanks for responding to ANY of my other valid points. It proves that none of you can see past your hate for anything in uniform.

    I'm done.
     
  20. mandell

    mandell Banned

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    Welcome back to the world, mate.

    So, you listened to Bush's lies.
    Too bad, you were screwed.

    By the way, the nuclear weapons admittedly are in north korea,why didn't you and your daddy Bush go there?
     

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