Support the Troops?

Uhm. There's far more than one dead Iraqi child who never had a chance to grow up and a bunch or so of grown up men who died playing cowboys and Indians with real guns in this "War on TERRAH!!!"

So, tell Bush and his army of tin soldiers get out where they don't belong.

And uhm, by the way, PEACE bro'. It's the only way.

Hatred is never appeased by hatred.

- Buddha​

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At least 33 dead in rampage
15 others at Virginia Tech wounded in worst mass shooting in U.S. history

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18134671/


So, Zoomie, tell me did Bush's entire mercenary army currently bogged down in Iraq make this world a safer place?
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Mandell Sweety,

Why do you continually ask me about Bush? I don't even know where you live, but do I ask you about what your leader is doing and what you plan to do about it? I could probably prove to you that the elected leaders of your country don't exactly have the cleanest hands but you haven't the scrotum to openly say where you live. One more time, just for you, OK? I didn't vote for Bush, I don't support Bush, I don't give a fuck about Bush. I don't give two shits about ANY elected official. Being my president means NOTHING to me. But it seems to mean a lot to you, so what are YOU, right here, right now, doing about it? Whining on a webboard. Which means you are doing exactly GOATSHIT.

Start paying attention and stop asking me stupid questions you idiot.

PS - And in case you missed it, what happened in Blacksburg today is what I lovingly call POPULATION CONTROL. It hadnothing to do with anything military. And I am sooooooooo sorry you missed it.

 

this is the lowest form of polemics : running out of arguments, the loser resorts to insults (which I am glad to send back) and tries to discredit the opponent . in italy this is called berlusconi dialectics (his favorite is calling the opponent a communist though) . sorry, bub, as you are experiencing your cause is undefendable , at least with the arguments used so far.

even if there are people so full of hate to be just happy because of US casualties , this does not change the point of the debate . in fact this does not mean nothing but that you are trying to put all anti-war persons in that category, which is unfair and clearly false. you should be ashamed of yourself, no kidding here.

 

There speaks the words of a wise man

here here jag


thanks!

 

This thread now has 27 pages. I have been posting in it for nearly a month. I have tried reasoning time and time again. There are people here whom I refer to as violently anti-war. They openly laugh and make light when Americans are killed. I never grouped ALL posters here together, but there are some who are opposed to the war but glad to see anyone inauthority killed, maimed, permanently scarred. It is these people to whom I refer. They know who they are. I have not put all anti-war persons in ANY category for I am against the war also. Do not come here and tell me what I am thinking and insult me. You obviously have not read enough of this thread to be informed.

Why must I constantly restate my opposition to this war? Why must I justify myself to strangers who are ill-informed and haven't taken the time to read my written opinion? Why am I wasting my time defending myself to people who seem to have all the answers anyway?

Peace and a pleasant day to you all...

 

Obviously, you have run out of coherent, intelligent arguments that's why you now resort to name-calling and engage in personal attacks or you never had any coherent and intelligent arguments to begin with? Perhaps, trolling this board is simply your style. No?

This is a typical characteristic of pro-Bush, pro-military, Neo-con, right-wing, war-mongers like you.

This Iraq war is a lost cause and will not bring peace. Even your intellectually challenged friends in the Bush administration should know that by now.

Nevertheless, I will keep hoping that someday you will see the light and that you will have eternal PEACE.

 

Well ain't this the pot calling the kettle black!! I seem to recall when you get backed into a corner, you like to degrade, and insult people yourself!!

and

how about this one?

I disagreed with you, and made some very valid points which you failed to acknowledge, then you start labeling me a fucking racist!?!?!! Seems to me you are the one who resorts to name calling and personal attacks, you are the troll.

What the fuck is this statement? You just bashed on Zoomie for way less than this.........practice what you preach or shut the fuck up! I know Zoomie is not any of these things, yet when he makes a good point, you resort to name calling and personal attacks (sound familiar?)

The man's already stated he doesen't support bush, yet you continually insinuate he does, because you can't debate your way out of a paper bag.

Source of Quotes:
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229946&page=1&pp=10

 

Zoomie - upset because Bush can't win the war in Iraq
dudenamedrob - still upset because Anus in the Morning got fired.

Two conjoined whiners that need a life.

The Iraq war is a lost cause.
Anus In The Morning got canned, done, kaputski,




Pls. both of you, don't get your pants in a twitch. :jester:

LOL.

 

yes, maybe you're quite right and I missed something. by the way, where precisely in this thread do 'they' laugh at U.S. casualties ?

 

If you just called me a Christian then you owe ME an apology. You'll get yours when I get mine.

PS - And don't think I don't see where you're going.

 

hey, sorry to barge in like this.

can we please cool off a little? if we are so in favor of peaceful solutions to conflicts, why do we react so violently to disagreement?

skip i do have the concern that hearing you use "Xtian" as a slur like that is against your own forum guidelines. there are a lot of Christians here who are very peaceful people.

I know Zoomie personally. he's Celtic pagan, not christian. I also know for a fact that he is neither in favor of Bush nor the war.

i'm probably going to get flamed for this, but I really hate to see two friends i like a lot reacting like this.

peace begins with us.

as for myself, i do not support the war. i hate the war. (in fact i have just, perhaps stupidly, volunteered with the newly formed anti-war crisis center up the street, to help pull together a children's peace education program. i say perhaps stupidly because festival season is nigh, and i'm trying to sever my ties to rochester. but it's something i believe in, strongly, and will provide more material for my son's CO file.

i have friends in iraq, in the military and as civilian contractors. i do not agree with their decisions.

one of my friends is a Unitarian minister. he does not support the war, and is himself very liberal, but has just signed on as an army chaplain because he feels called to help those in the spiritual crisis of war, and knows that the army needs liberal religious chaplains instead of just fundamentalists. he will be leaving in June, and it is very likely he will be going to iraq.

do i agree with his decison? it's really his decision, not mine. do i think he's supporting the war? his intent is to promote healing in a war-torn environment. i have no control over his intent or his decision, it is not mine to judge. i find it extremely distasteful, but really, it's none of my business.

but i know he is a good person with love in his heart, who desires to bring comfort and healing to those in the darkest spritual crsis, and that is what i support.

 

this is what i call talking.
from my side I am willing to apologize to everyone who felt offended in some way by my previous posts , Zoomie first, and bring back the tones of this thread to a more human level for a fresh new start.

 

Skip, I agree with everything you said.......but who are you addressing??? Your kind of preaching to the choir here, most of us aren't Xtians........including Zoomie....i'm a bit perplexed.

 

I agree, this is what needs to happen. If the rich and afluent were forced to fight, or their children were forced to fight, this war would be over within 6 months.

 

Skip, you and I are in complete agreement on every point you made in the last two posts. And as someone living less than 35 miles from the site of the protests I can promise you that I WAS there with VFP. Twice. And I will be again. For me to petition even the members of my own family who are Christian is a waste of my time. I wasn't even invited to Easter dinner this year. I have long hair, piercings, wear a kilt and boots, carry a dagger and a medallion of Eponus. I'm a heathen, everyone knows it, I am persona non grata with any Christian who knows me. I'm not going to lie and I'm not going to change. My family is Episcopalian BTW and they also actively protest this war. Some Christians haven't completely lost their minds. My sister the Reverend has a bumper sticker on her car that reads "Peace IS the church's business".

This thread has little to do with protesting the war, for me it's about supporting my friends who are over there, friends who do NOT support this war any more than they support our "president". Some of them have applied for CO status, been denied, and had their security clearances pulled. They're finishing their enlistments (and a few, commissioned contracts) doing shit work because they can't desert and leave their families unsupported. Bear in mind that I was not a combat soldier and neither are any of my friends, we were in technical fields involving languages and cryptography. Many soldiers have deserted rather than fight Bush's immoral and unjust war and some drew 5 years at the military penitentiary at Ft Leavenworth Kansas.

There are thousands of soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines who are being persecuted from the inside because they do not want to fight this war. They just aren't dedicated to their morals enough to strand their wives, husbands and children for 5 years. And that's OK. They are still luckier than my 15 friends from the former Air Force Intelligence Agency who are now buried at various veterans cemetaries around the world.

My main objection was the same one voiced by several others on the first 5 pages of this thread. There seems to be a lot of hate for military people, even the majority who are NOT combat troops. Lumping them all together and calling them stupid, ignorant and greedy seems a bit extremist.

That aside, I thought we were supposed to love everyone, even the stupid ones.