Support the Troops?

We are not the policeman of the world.
It's attitudes like these that get this country into war and get untold numbers of people killed.

Besides, the world has change.
"Military power has it's limits." This is one of the lessons of the Vietnam War.

The other one is: "Do not get yourself involved in a protracted conflict that you had no business getting involved to begin with."

 

Yes, Bush and the Neo-cons are all rhetoric, they have no clue as to what they're doing.


The War Lobby Abandons the Troops

http://www.antiwar.com/bandow/?articleid=10565


Actually, Bush and the Neo-cons abandoned the welfare of the troops long before these very troops were sent to combat with inadequate body armor and to come home to a dysfunctional military hospital system like that of Walter Reed, that was ill prepared to care for them when they returned home.

 

If Bush vetoes it, he's cutting off funding for the soldiers he sent to fight his wars.

 

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p.s. im lisening to "too many puppies". how ironic : )

 

I don't think we should have left viet-nam, look at all the sacrafices soldiers made to have it all mean nothing. Just to give it to the communists and in the process we taught every other country that we will not follow through. How do you think the people in the Middle East learned these tactics. Going in, wasting money, wasting peoples lives just to pull out is crazy.

 

Haid, there's your problem.

Just because your daddy gave you a toy gun when you were a kid to play with, you think you can blast your way throughout life and all this mess.

How about organizing some of your pro-war buddies and start another Vietnam War, part II. I can tell you right now, the outcome.

You guys will fail AGAIN.

 

I agree! With our super-dumb choice of leaders and those who have their heads up the leader's asses (like Karl Rove), we couldn't win a battle against Baja California. Vietnam ruined my youth and Iraq is making my old age miserable. I wonder what ever happened to Colin Powell who was used so obviously to lie for the Bush vendetta against Saddam? Bush had one man of honor on his team, and he used him as a prostitute at the United Nations! Who needs WMDs with Bush-Cheney-Rove at the helm? As always, we are our own worst enemies!

Vietnam Vet

 

The reason is plain and simple, Haid.

You cannot win a people's war.

If Canada (not that it's likely ever going to happen) were to militarily invade and occupy, the U.S., I'm sure American resistance is the natural response. Isn't it?

As what happens in all wars, some people are deceived, many people die, and quite a few profit from it...

 

You better check your history books on that one. Hell, how long did the British hold Iraq? You can do it but not if your citizens are always looking for the quick fix and instant feel good that we have come to feel entitled to anymore. We did it with Germany, we did it with Japan and they didn't exactly love us. Of coarse we didn't fight bullshit hippy PC wars then so you may be right.

 

oh yes, I just forgot, the diabolic Communists . Really a shame to surrender viet-nam in their hands. Imagine that they claimed THEIR OWN COUNTRY , they were such shameless brats.
I abandon you in the empty hell of your cartman ideology. .

 

Huh, half the country didn't want to be communist. They were slaughtered after we left. They asked us for help and then we abondoned them. If that makes you happy your sick.

 

dude, you yankees murdered 2000000-5700000 men (and women, and children) as a consequence of your intervention. you had to stay home and mind your own business in the first place. well if i am sick you are way more. not to mention the terrorist methods used like agent orange, search and destroy, My Lai, landmines etc. that population is still suffering the atrocious consequences of your criminal insanity, in front of which your ridiculous 50000 casualties really dont impress me at all. Poor ignorant misguided people for the most i think, but not innocent ones.
Now you can go on loathing as long as you like. P.S. since you are the first one who I've ever heard talking in defense of Vietnam intervention, either you're a troll or else ask the WWF for help , you are probably a race in threat of extinction ("warmongerus moronii") .

 

If it wasn't for the anti-war movement, pro-war types like you, would probably still be fighting in Vietnam or been long dead by now.

Seriously, there was no way the U.S. could have won the Vietnam War militarily.

Just like in Korea, a land invasion and occupation of North Vietnam would have drawn neighboring Communist China openly into the war and prolonged and further escalated the conflict. Imagine fighting a war against 1.3 billion Chinese, not including the Russians.

Both the Soviet Union and Communist China supported North Vietnam both militarily and financially at that time and a nuclear exchange would be out of the question.

It's thick headed military and pro-war types elsewhere in our society who should re-read and learn from their history books.

Sorry, dude, you guys lost the Vietnam War. Get over it.

 

Vietnam, just like Iraq, was dead wrong! Thus spake Zarathrustra . . . . Who supported the troops in Vietnam? The people who marched in the streets to get it stopped, not the uber-patriots! Get your head out of your ass, dude!

Vietnam Vet

 

Yeah the soldiers sacrificed, but did the military industrial complex? They had to sit on their hand for years because they feared the public concensus after Vietnam. Now they think they have it made they can reap their ugly rewards. Their kids aren't in the fight or dying.

How would having stayed in Vietnam have benefitted the US? It would have put us in a similiar position to the USSR after their debacle with Afghanastan(on the verge of financial collapse). Our enemies...who the hell is the enemy? The poor common people of the middle east or those that wish to pit us against each other. Admitting a situation doesn't show weakness it shows intelligence. Cutting your losses when you know you are throwing money down an endless hole, shows you've thought out the benefits and returns and you wish to conserve your resources. Vietnam is now one of our TRADE partners. Would you rather it still be a killing ground?

Would you like there to still be a draft? The draft wouldn't have ended without the end to the Vietnam war.

 

I think a lot of Americans would take the Canadian side. Hell they make better movies now than the US. Most of the US commentators on the US news stations are Canadian. In many ways they seem more reasonable and level headed. A large proportion of Americans might join their side.

 

Just so we are clear, I don't support the draft in most cases.

Sometimes when you make commitments to people you have to back them good or bad, you don't leave them to die unprotected. That is not frugal, its being a coward.

No, that should be thought out before hand. Once you are commited failure should not be an option. People who accept failure just become more caught up in its trap. When you have enemy soldiers progandizing that if they push US Casualties up we will go home, then you have already lost. Might as well sit on your hands and wait for collaspe. Of coarse all of you think that resources just come to us with no work. Once again people time to come back to reality. You can't lead by sitting on the sidelines and if you are not leading you take what you get gifted.

Yea, I will keep that in mind.

 

Please could you post the results of any survey or other evidence you have that would support these statements?

 

Yeah-once you commit to killing other humans,even if you are wrong,just keep killing or be thought of as cowards.What a crock of shit ,if I ever heard one.

 

If you realize that you a made an initial commitment to something bad, how can sticking to it make it any good?
It only makes things worse.

If you initially committed to Adolf Hitler's National Socialist party, then later on realized that the Nazis were butchering millions of people, do you still stick by your Fuhrer?

I have a feeling that your answer will be an unwavering yes.

Not everyone likes or appreciates your brand of America playing the role of "cop" to the world.

Sometimes, there's a thin line that separates the "good" guys from the "bad" guys.

The lesson here is:
Don't start stupid, costly wars you can't finish and can't win to begin with. Period.
That my friend is frugality.

If you're idea of being brave is being dead,
you should have been dead long ago. How come you're still posting? LOL.

A sign of intelligence is the ability to change course or direction when necessity dictates so.

A sign of stupidity is when one makes the same mistakes over and over again.
This is strikingly similar to the classic Bush and the Neo-con response to doing things:
"When stuck in a quagmire, dig deeper."