Speaking In Tongues

well you CAN "fight for" something, if you can figure out how. but you can't expect not to be accused of lacking manors for doing so.
that's the problem with taking a confrontational ("fight") for approach.
opponents who would otherwise never have been opponents, will come out of the woodwork, and use every means, fair or foul, to oppose, whatever you are for.
you know, just like children being told something is good for them, no matter how good, bad or indifferent, whatever it is you're "fighting for", might happen to be.

 

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this little dictionary can be swallowed like a shroom . memorize and mesmerize .
as a language it may rise , and you may sing with words of essence . om

 

*mumblestuff*

 

The only thing I really fought for ending up at this place was safety for my animals, tbh.

 

but did not see one of my favorite cats going missing here at the time. Asked if there were coyotes here....was told no....but duh....of course, there is everything in the animal kingdom here.....better than the 4 cats that got killed at last house though by traffic, at least.
I was headed for a real break down there.

 

it is well to enunciate with exactness . t is pointy .

 

going back to the topic of glossolalia, who has actually witnessed this??

i saw it when i went to church with my girlfriends mom sometimes, it was a small but growing christian church in miami with probably 95% hispanics, and the sermons were given in spanish by a spanish preacher.

so usually it would be early sunday morning around 10, but keep in mind we were groggy and hung over from partying saturday night, and sometime in the middle of the sermon the preacher would call people to the stage where he was standing on and he would bless them. he would do this by kinda smacking their forehead with his open palm. some people, upon being smacked in the forehead, would start to spew gibberish, with their arms wide and up. some would start to cry and some would just fall on the floor for a while and pretend to be unconscious.

i thought this was hilarious, insane, and just plain strange. some of my observations were: the people who pretended to be unconscious were very obviously pretending, you could tell because they would always fall in a way that was inconsistent with an actual backwards free-fall, meaning, they kind of laid down so they wouldn't get hurt. also, when the time was up, they would all stand and go back to their seats around the same time. and the people who were supposedly speaking in another language, well its hard to describe but ill try. they would all kind of repeat the same gibberish over and over, because when you dont know a language, you just kind of imitate the sounds everyone else is making, and because you dont have a wide veriety of sounds, everyone end up kind of repeating the same gibberish over and over. it didnt sound real, it sounded made up on the spot, and also nobody could really do it for more than a few seconds because they would run out of gibberish or be too repetitive. i would say it was bursts of a few seconds at a time.

ok, so since its very hard to describe in text, i thought there had to be examples on youtube. and from what i see on youtube, from all areas around the world, they are all very consistent to what i witnessed. im gonna put some links of some videos i saw, and if you watch them, you will see what im talking about when i say they dont have a wide veriety of sounds so they end up repeating one to maybe three sounds over and over. it kinda sounds like lalallalalallallallalallalbbobobobooboblalalalllmemmemmemmenanannanannannnannanan. lol if that makes any sense. so like i said, its hard to explain in text but here are some great video examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm_NNLZiusg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDe_WXKM860

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZD1_fVBuLQ (around 40 sec point)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZbQBajYnEc

so anyway, you can see from these videos and others that its pretty obvious that it doesnt sound like an actual language. another thing thats interesting is that different parts of the world they kinda have their own sounds, which is strange if they were really speaking an actual language. also, some poeple are better than others at sounding authentic, but even if they practice a few real words in another language, they still end up having a very small vocabulary (?) and end up repeating the two or three words over and over mixed in with some lalala and mamama here and there.

also, i know alot of people will say that its some kind of heavenly language, maybe not one found on earth. theres no study that i know of where they can identify the language let alone interpret it. so i dont know what to say about that unprovable argument, i dont have any good counter argument other that if it is gods language, it should sound better than this gibberish.

 

http://youtu.be/vdL_CJVZ2zg

"A kind of trance for the wide wake."

Let it move you man, ecstatic inertia :beatnik:

 

http://youtu.be/__OSyznVDOY

 

So regarding the only scientific account
ing of glossolalia what is the difference in brain activity in the frontally iuformed experience of god, that of the monk and the uuninformed experince of some presence. It is the difference between being able to speak with relelant authoriy the words of god andpersnally experiencing only the sensation of god.

 

Glossolalia are as yet unarticulated impulses.

 

http://youtu.be/9X4macmaagk?t=5m24s

Should start at 5:24.

 

yes , I have witnessed it .

as to your example , it could be reduced to this word : la-obo-mem-na .
i see
though that you have notated one boob in there also .

 

Boob... The universal language.

 

Sad. Very sad that some people will allow themselves to be a part of this ridiculous behavior. That is not rational behavior in any way.

Yes, I've seen this behavior when I was a pre-teenager. When the traveling tent preachers came to my hometown some of us would go to see what grown humans would subject themselves to. We considered it the same as going to a zoo. That was in the 1940s and 50s.

 

I'm more interested in who here actually have the gift and use it?

Watching others and then making judgments concerning the validity of their experience shows your ignorance rather than theirs.


blind men describing an elephant.



by the way, mine is very mellow and controlled, like normal conversation with inflection, tonal changes and all the other niggly little shit that goes into language and verbal communication and is definitely not a random jumble of sounds strung together.


also, the research I posted previously negates the idea that people are simply mimicking or making up shit.
the needed brain centers are not active during glossolalia.


concerning some of the other stuff, again, your a virgin trying to describe what sex feels like, you ain't got a clue unless you've been there, done that

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZbQBajYnEc

 

^ i put that video up already. the title the uploader used is very misleading, did you watch it all? the doctor in the video set out to discover and record what happens in the brain of some christians, not why, and he definitely did not set out to prove or disprove the existence of the "holy ghost" or other divine cause.

my thoughts on this study are that he was successful in visually mapping out the areas of the brain that are active during glossolalia. and not glossolalia in all circumstances, just those particular christian folks who participated. anyway, he shows that the area of the brain we use for normal language is actually not activated. from this you could make two arguments:

1) they area for language is not engaged because its all fake. by this i i dont mean that they are faking on purpose, just that it is caused by excitement, or being worked up, or being part of a group. in other words there is not a "holy ghost" or divine reason for it.

2) the area for language is not engaged because the "holy spirit" uses some other means for the words to come out of your mouth. my guess is that christians would say that it "possesses" them somehow.


and as far as my ignorance, i honestly believe that if your faith is real, then you have no reason to feel offended by skeptics. also, there are some ideas that i believe should be scrutinized and bad ideas should be rebuked and ridiculed, after all its the idea we disapprove of, not the person.

 

yep i guess thats true, never experienced it myself. those people still don't convince me, but that doesn't mean its not a real phenomenon, i just dont believe what i saw was glossolalia.

 

man can I ever relate to what he says.