Some Quotes From God

^^^ That reminds me of what it says in Roman 8:29 where it describes Jesus as the first born of many brothers and sisters. I go to a Lutheran church and that verse is never touched even with a 10 foot pole.

 

A person is someone with a personality and God definitely has a personality.

You need to check your reading comprehension again. Jesus said; because I said, I am God’s Son

I see that you are still, twisting the scriptures daily.

 

Well of course, if it doesn' agree with what you want to believe..... run away, run away!

 

Why wouldn't they? From what i remember he did have brothers and sisters. James, Jesus's half brother has a book in the bible.

 

Democracy in the kingdom of the heavens? Yeah right and when Jesus' disciples called themselves slaves of God and of the Christ they were obviously thinking of that big democracy in the sky.

 

To thefutureawaits: Romans 8:29 is talking about those who are born again to live forever not his physical brothers and sisters. Jesus as a brother is very foreign in a lot of churches.

To OWB: I've been going to the same church my entire life and much of my family goes there too. I agree with the main message of the Lutheran church, but I like to study the Bible with an open mind and figure things out for myself.

 

Good idea.

As a youth I went to the Methodist church, Mom said she wanted us to have a “religious education" and that at 16 we could decide if we wanted to continue.

At 16 I thought what have I learned, I had only learned two things the Lord's Prayer and the Golden Rule, things good to know, yes but a dearth of an education, so I stopped going.

But did not stop searching and even spent some time looking into Zen Buddhism.

I finally decided to stick with the “religion I was most familiar with", Christianity. In deciding which church to go to, I thought since Christianity is based on what the Bible says I should read the Bible front to back and find the Church that most closely followed the Bible. I figured, after reading the Bible, if someone said the Bible says this or that, I would be able to say; I remember reading that or I don’t remember reading that show me.

Subsequently I have read the Bible through several times and have researched many topics and subtopics like heaven and hell, love and faith, looking up every instance of the words, which I recommend but I’m still a “I remember that or I don’t remember that, show me” kind of guy.

 

You missed the subject. The subject of the talk is the good news, and explanation of the scripture you quoted about jesus claiming to be the son god, not democracy in the kingdom of heaven. The word democracy doesn't even appear in the talk. He said the quakers as a spiritual movement for one established a republic as the best form of government and he was comparing that to the idea that monarchy is the best form of government. Why don't you comment on the salient issue of the talk?

A person by definition is a human being. God is not a person.
I don't see what you see. How did I twist scripture? Can you be specific?

 

Maybe for some He just happens to be a supernatural person/being. Does that have to be problematic? What about people believing their died beloved ones are still floating behind them and helping them with things in reality? I don't see an issue by default.

 

And I said John wrote the words. I said it was post script evangelizing as it is by definition and fact. Writing second hand to get the word out. Jesus is written to have said.

Supernatural person or being is not human being. It is an issue of what is the same and what is different. The breath, spirit, goes into and out of the body and life rides on the breath. God's element is spirit ergo spiritual being and is the substantial element of our own life. Personality as a set of traits peculiar to the individual is not limited only to the human frame. The name of every personality is I am. Many complex animals exhibit personality. A person is a human being.

 

I recently noticed another person proclaiming "I say I am God's son". What does this mean?

Agreed. But I still don't see the problem by default that other people have a personified concept of evil or good. Well, I can easily think of examples where it did became problematic (and I have a hard time taking the personification of evil, Satan, seriously). But then it was the specific form or action of a specific person, not necessarily this belief on itself.
Like I said before, if they don't hurt or trouble other people in reality their beliefs don't have to agree with us to the same extent they (the person harbouring those beliefs) agree with it. This is pretty much the same point Monkey Boy made.

 

If a person displays the fruits of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, patience, self-control, gentleness, goodness, faithfulness, kindness) it shows they are allowing God to shine through them just as Jesus did. That's why Jesus said, "when you see me, you see the Father".

 

You need to listen to the videos you foist on others.

Here let me help you out so you don’t have to actually listen to the video you wanted others to listen to.

At 4:16 word democracy is said, no need to apologize, I know hard that is for you.

 

You must realize that you are just blatantly rationalizing in an attempt to make it seem like you weren’t just flat out wrong.

 

That's a good point OWB. A democracy implies our will has the power to change God's will. Watts has it backwards.

 

Not I am gods only son

There was no mention of democracy in the video. What was mentioned that quakers among others established the republic as a spiritual movement. He pointed out the inherent conflict between the idea of a republic and a monarchy. What watts says about a republic is that it is more like god's kingdom than a monarchy. We exist for and with each other in the world and are co-creators with god in the kingdom.
republic. a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them. or any body of persons viewed as a commonwealth. a state in which the head of government is not a monarch or other hereditary head of state. This is definition of the state not of gods kingdom.

A nations government and gods kingdom are not the same and the talk was not about being able to vote for god but that you are as god created you, like himself.
We share gods will our will as an extension of his own and no, that we can change gods will or that we can vote against god was never implied by watts.

Is god a monarch that rules over you or does he extend through you? This is the juxtaposition presented by watts with his metaphor or example of republic and monarchy.

No, I reiterated what I said the first time. I didn't change anything. You must realize that I know you have trouble understanding me.
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Actually I did review the video and if it is there

Thank you. Sometimes as hard as we try we need help. I did go back and try to pick the word out but my focus had already been filtered by the word republic and the meaning he was trying to impart. I apologize to you for assuming you made the association without the word present. Did you understand what he was saying?. He was saying the the kingdom of heaven had been taught as a type of monarchy and never taught as a democracy until the establishment of the republic as a spiritual movement, i.e. in god we trust, and the rest I gave to monkeyboy.

The republic is the idea of free people contributing to the community well being and is more in keeping with the idea of free will. As a government it is an earthbound phenomena.

The monarchy idea of the kingdom of god was taught as a matter of suppression by the church and it gave validation to the monarchy of europe and the hierarchy of the catholic church.

Jesus' lesson about our relationship with god was familial, not governmental at all. Our father who art in heaven.

 

Or when we see christ we shall be like him.

 

i don't have a problem with that either. A personified concept is not a person.

 

This is flat out untrue, at 4:16 the word democracy is said, no ifs ands or buts.