Some Quotes From God

As far as personal anxiety as an indicator of misapprehension, a true perspective always results in some form of peaceful outcome and I lean to the working of nature as a guide.

 

Dope, your own views of spirituality and christianity are so fine tuned, advanced, and sophisticated that you can be sure that my words here and in other threads are aimed especially away from people with positions such as yours. I do not mean to unduly praise or slicken you with oily words, but it's the truth. I am speaking to that massive portion of humanity who believe the quaint invisible man in the sky story of the jealous lord who gave us the bible and cares deeply about what we do when naked.

I'm only beginning to approach your level of discussion on these matters. On that point, your general gist reminds me of an absolutely revelatory book I read recently, to the point that I wonder if it wasn't influential for you:



If you are not familiar with it I implore you to read it, as it is simply astounding. If you are familiar with Watts as the popularizer of eastern religions, you may perhaps not know that he was at one point an anglican priest! A truly fresh view of the entire mythos and collective motion of christianity (with some caveats which he fairly presents in the beginning).

This same recommendation goes to anyone here with an earnest desire to challenge their understanding of christianity, if not more deeply their worldview.

 

Well first of all I'm not sure where you got the idea that Jesus is God. Jesus often said he was the Son of God but never actually said he was God.

As for knowing who Christians are and who are not, it is really quite simple, by their fruitage you will know them. If they are not displaying love then, no matter what they call themselves they are not Christians.

 

He is but then you don't listen to him much.

 

Mr.Writer I just have to ask, have you ever read the Bible cover to cover?

 

I and the father are one.
In fact it is not written that he said he was the son of god but said, you are right to say that I am or, you say that I am, or no man has disclosed this to you.

 

Yes as i said I understand who you are addressing and I address you as you do your own investigations in a way that I think you recognize. I don't mean to assume I know all the things you may have considered nor do I mean to distract or detract from your points. I smile at the term "oily words" because it is artistic and it can be taken in many ways. An abstraction worthy of the naturally abstract mind. I am neither flattered nor offended but I enjoy our relationship much.

I haven't seen the book you present but I will look at it if it is accessible to me.

Most of what I say does not in fact come from books alone but from coming to know myself through relationship. In fact it was the psychedelic experience that made diverse materials even available to my interest.

My experience in reading much of such material is, "oh, I recognize that from experience." There is some I cannot relate to at all.

On many bright thinkers such a Watts beginning as anointed christian and evolving into something else, it is quite common. The same happens the other way round where the not previously religiously connected become christain or adopt some other religious practice. There are as probably as many conversions as there are personally meaningful conversations.
I was as a immature person, a methodist.

 

What does love look like? Can we see your level of affection for me? As you judge others friend so you are judged. If you are to judge others not christian then how shall you be regarded?

Them in this phrase as I disclosed to you before does not mean their actions, Them are the perceptual effects of your own conclusions. You do not taste the inner spiritual experience of another man but you do hear the abundance of his heart come out in speech. You do not taste the fruit of their experience you only taste what you have eaten. Understand the meaning of your own taste.

 

Your task by definition is not to measure who is a christian and who is not but to become christ like yourself. This is what it means to be a disciple. Not to judge what is good in the world and what is not, only god is good and only god authority. All things are lawful but not all things are helpful. Others will recognize the love that emerges from that because they find themselves being given courtesy and kindness as grace is extended to them.

 

You answered this in another thread and so do not have answer it here.

 

So I guess that later when Jesus says this; “I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word; in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me forth." he meant that all his disciples were actually the same person. (John 17:20-21)

John 3:10-18

 

Go ahead and guess...,kidding.

No, not that they are the same person but they are one in union with him. Minds join and in so doing commune in the emotional experience as we inhabit the body that is not made of spirit. God is not, a person.
“Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’?
The spirit of god resides in everyone. It is what gives life.
Being god's creation is your true and only inheritance, call no man your father. You have not come down from flesh and blood in a verdict of sin and no one ascends who has not first descended.

That is not a quote of jesus of nazareth but post script theology by author john. Something someone else is saying about him.

 

God is not a person? You'll say almost anything won't you.

If it's not a quote of Jesus then why did John write; "In answer Jesus said to him"?

 

Do you say god is a person? I will say as much as I can to get my point across. God is not a person.

It is not a quote of jesus saying he is the son of god. The quote also uses the term "son of man" He neither says "I am the son of god" nor "I am the son of man"
John wrote it that's why he says in answer "jesus said to him" and that is why it is advised to take things with a grain of salt and be informed by spirit.

Never once have I believed anything because jesus supposedly said it but because the words put to practice are true. If I can't demonstrate it I can't say that I apprehend it regardless who said what. Faith without works is dead.

As to only son, if jesus wanted it portrayed that way why is the lords prayer our father who art in heaven?

As to condemned already, how can that be when judgement is yet to come? When did god condemn you?

What if you were the one to be believed in as son of man and son of god? Is not our salvation through each other in the instruction that we must love one another?

As I have said before john takes considerable poetic license and it is designed for emotional appeal. Condemned already creates the emotional sense that you need salvation. It plays on base level senses or uninformed sense. It is an evangelistic fervor. Elsewhere the figure jesus' appeal is to those who have ears to hear and those who are troubled, the sick, and those caught up in error. The well on the other hand have no need of a physician.

If jesus came to be sacrificed for your sins then how can it be written he said, go and sin no more to the woman in absence of any such teaching about believing in him?

There is no writing anywhere that I do not put to the test of experience in order to apprehend meaning. You assume accuracy and report it is so because of belief. We speak of what we know and bear witness to what we have seen.

To believe on or in him means to trust what he says is true not to believe that he has special qualities.

 

Yes, God is a person.

I guess you did believe that scripture how about this one, "do YOU say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, I am God’s Son?" (John 10:36)

 

A person by definition is a human being. God is not a person.

As to the scripture, he is reiterating what others said of him, blasphemous and claiming to be the son of god. Not stating I am the son of god.The passage refers to the fact that others are called gods to whom the word of god has come. From a different place, You are right to say I am, (because we are all children of god.)

As to whether it even matters what you say about god or jesus,
"Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin ",because they were saying, "He has an unclean spirit." in conjunction with, And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
The reason those who blaspheme against the holy spirit never have forgiveness is because those who accuse of an unclean spirit are not present to the condition of forgiveness but to that of judgement.

 

To the OP: Let's see we have 9 quotes from the old testament and one from the new that's from a letter giving an opinion on how women should be treated while in church. It's always interesting to me that people always go to the OT to make the Bible look bad. Jesus kind of did something new. The old testament was just a shadow of what was to come.

 

God has a personality much the same way light becomes 6 colors when it's refracted through a prism. The prism being the material body.

 

Here you go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw