Should All Schools Be Mandated To Teach Creationism?

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  1. Asmodean

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    Well, the main reason other people and the system are against relgious schools (schools with religious affiliation, not imam or preacher educations ;)) is because they are afraid it would teach fundamental relgious or even extremist stuff and leave out teachings as the evolution theory or other knowledge that may be consensual nation wide but perhaps denied or distorted by the leaders of such a religion and therefor also by the school organisation.
     
  2. thedope

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    So why preserve the fear with a specific mandate? I would like to take financing out of the equation recognizing that educational facilities require funds. Choose to go to any school. The funds are a natural produce of a commitment to children. That is to teach is a personal investment. Take your kid to work or teach him your craft. You understand that the majority of adult concerns as it stands require the absence of serous attention to children. One of the most overlooked fundamentals is suffer the little children to come unto me.
    To change the world to the point of easy habit teach your children well/well being.
     
  3. Asmodean

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    Well, I thought the transparacy would be in order to take such concerns (fear) away. If such a mandate could lead to different schools teaching what their organisation and parents would like (and at the same time coincides with the national or international criteria of what kids should learn) then it would seem a good reason to have it (or at least try it out :)).
     
  4. thedope

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    And i'm all smiles.
     
  5. Asmodean

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    So transparancy does not take away fear and therefor is not useful or meaningful in regards to schools with a specific religious affiliation? Maybe we shouldn't grant schools such freedoms then?
     
  6. thedope

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    The fear is of contradiction in preferred curriculum. Learn what you want to learn

    I have a little experience and depth of association as my sister owns and runs a preschool with her masters in early childhood education.

    I stress again on free access. That is the child's free access. I don't know if you noticed, the little fuckers ask a lot of questions.
     
  7. thedope

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    And where is Okiefreak after he dropped his same old on us?
     
  8. Asmodean

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    Well to me it isn't about the mandate but more about the transparancy. Although it is about the children's education, I was arguing for transparancy in what particular schools teach so there would not be societal unrest or conflict about it. That way everyone could have their cake and eat it too. I'm not sure what you are saying in regards to transparancy here. It seems a key issue to me if a society wants to grant religious schools their freedoms.
     
  9. thedope

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    So that is in mission statement of the particular school.
     
  10. MeAgain

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    Not to argue over which causes more harm......but how in the world is dialectical materialism the same as atheism, which you seem to imply with your same difference" comment.?
    Dialectal materialism is:
    The dialectic method is a reasoning process that relies of rational discussion, such as the Socratic Method.
    Materialism is the belief that matter is the fundamental substance of nature.
    Where is there any reference to or against a god?

    Or am I wrong, you don't think that atheism and dialectical materialism are the same, in which case why bring them up together?
     
  11. thedope

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    fire in the belly
     
  12. MeAgain

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    Would that include reading and math skills, critical thinking, hygiene, morals, and things of that nature.
    Are there no common, basic skills that need to be taught?
     
  13. thedope

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    Teach your children well being. Learning is attractive if you present it attractively. Kids learn what they want to learn, they tolerate the annoyance otherwise, somewhat annoyingly
     
  14. thedope

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    As to teaching morals that is called moralizing. Not what you want. Our moral protections extend as a matter of instinctive nature to those things we call our own.
     
  15. MeAgain

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    And what is well being?
     
  16. thedope

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    doing what you want
    Are you well?
    I ask not be personal but to give an inkling of what well being is.
     
  17. Okiefreak

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    Dialectical materialism presupposes atheism. The "materialism" part, especially as used in Marxist-Leninist ideology, excludes divine operation. Dialectical materialism isn't the same as dialectical discourse in logic. It is a specific Marxist doctrine that, like Hegel, sees the development of history as a dialectical process of thesis-antithesis-synthesis. Only Marx "stood Hegel on his head" by rooting the process in material conditions instead of ideas. Marxism-Leninism views dialectical-materialism as a science of history, leaving no room for spirituality or the divine in the picture. Atheism is an integral feature of the ideology. Why bring it up? To answer a common atheist contention that Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and the North Korean Kims were atheists, but not acting "in the name of" atheism. They were acting in the name of an ideology that presupposes and incorporates atheism, and to the dead the distinction over what name they were killed for is probably irrelevant. Note: I didn't say that atheism is the same as dialectical materialism. That would be like saying Christianity is the same as Catholicism. But it's an ingredient.
     
  18. thedope

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    I wonder if it would really hurt any of us to be well, I mean for a change
     
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  19. thedope

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    To be worried about unwanted conditioning and then to mandate specific curriculum is a contradiction.
     
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  20. MeAgain

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    Materialism opposes Idealism, the idea that thought can exist without matter, or without a brain. It holds that there is nothing that can prove that it does.
    In that sense you are correct, materialism holds that everything can be reduced to the material level. There is no ideal, or divine origin that can be found as all we can know, we can only know because of the material brain.

    If the brain (matter) is removed from the equation...there is no thought, the process stops (as far as we can know).

    Basically, this is the way science is organized.

    But, (getting away from the OP) this does not mean that Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc. were operating on atheistic principles as atheism is not a belief system but simply a denial of certain belief systems. It is not a belief in itself.

    And I don't want to stray any further from the OP, so let me say this is why religion should not be taught in secular schools as we would then have to introduce the concept of atheism and give it just as much value as all of the various religious teachings which, I believe, would really raise the ire of the populace.
     

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