Should All Schools Be Mandated To Teach Creationism?

Well I don't know that it would be a MCF of BS, we were talking about religious faith and I just wanted to focus a little on a couple of the biggies ya know? And just to extend the thought to the topic of the OP, at what age are children to be presented with this juxtaposition of, for instance, how sexual reproduction works and immaculate conception as it's explained in the bible.
Further, and I say this respectfully,, do people of faith really want the public school system introducing this a kind of dissonance to their children's ideas of the bible, church... faith?

 

I bet you millions of everyday world citizens have superstitious or unfounded views. Racist views for instance.
My take is that they are side shows not particularly relevant to what is relevant. Need a different thread really to discuss what that means in detail. I will say that the books of the bible are an assemblage of manuscripts from different times and locations produced for different things and assembled for yet another thing. The way the world apprehends the material in general has been heavily politicized to the point of culturally induced bias before you even crack the book and so it is hard to get through this crap to take it as it is. If you do manage to divest yourself of preconceived notions we might find that the material contains and its interplay with society provides profound insights into the psychology of man at the very least.

 

My notions are not preconcieved, I was raised southern baptist, my grandfather was a baptist minister, I am quite finished hearing every verse of the bible, over and over again. The bible and its basic message sets up a fear in young minds that can take decades if not an entire lifetime to surmount, if ever. No big for me, I stop swallowing shit when authority's on the matter couldn't answers the most basic questions the logic of a 7 year old mind could conjer.

If you consider those major events of the bible side-shows then we are talking about two different things and what you are saying is entirely outside mainstream Christianity.

 

Southern baptist teaching is a preconception to one who hasn't been exposed to it. So listen to your rhetoric here and recognize that it presents a deceitful view. The bible doesn't have it's lessons and it does not teach. It is a book which is a repository for symbols which must in every instance be interpreted. So when someone is telling you what something means he is passing on his accounting and we are able if we have salt in ourselves we know if it is a good or accurate account by it's fruit. How do these ideas go down in life, are they easy to swallow. It is the truth that sets us free not belief. If your ideas sponsor hypocrisy and doubt as a matter of course then the evidence is that they are suspect. My joining is easy, liberating and my burden light, (understanding)
Briefly now because this in an aside line we are following here,
By this they shall know that you are my disciples, that you love one another. If this is so then believing in immaculate conception or resurrection is irrelevant. Such beliefs may be relevant for egotistical cultural identification. When I say egotistical I mean that level of identification that finds it's bearing in how it is different more or less from others. We all have a problem with mainstream christianity, many are called but few choose to listen. You can see for yourself if you have a problem with my interpretation.

We need teaches who know their subjects not ones that follow traditional curriculum. Life's curriculum is universal coming in many forms.

 

Bla bla bla, so who will chose those who will teach the "true interpretation" of the bible?

 

By secular you mean tax funded and administered by civil government.

My interest is in education not politics and finances so I guess my views transcend the argument of whether a particular interest should be mandated as I argue for liberal access.

 

you obviously did not understand my point as I was not speaking at all concerning belief in what the Bible teaches or tenants of faith.
I merely pointed out the most peoples idea of what faith is, DOES NOT coincide with WHAT it is and HOW faith is taught in the Bible.
Is that hard to understand and make the distinction?
It would appear that yet again, your personal views and understanding has gotten in the way of you HEARING what was communicated.

I am not going to type yet another explanation if what I have already done is beyond your understanding, but I doubt it is, you are not that stupid, but obviously very, very biased to the point of only hearing what you already think you know about the topic.

concerning the rest of your post, yeah, so, that is what the OP suggested, comparative religious studies, which I agree with.
so again any perceived problem is due to your bias and not any actual issues.


Yes, but does your views and beliefs concerning Buddhism influence such opinions?


and for the last time, I was not talking about the subject of faith, just HOW faith is taught/learned. BIG difference.
The Biblical format is the same as any other including science.
So I will assume that the answer to my previous question is, No, Meagain does not posses the intimate knowledge of the Bible to confidently tell me I'm wrong.
you really wasted a lot of keystrokes because what you responded with has absolutely nothing to do with what I put forth.

 

and why would we need to worry about that when the topic is Creative Design?

The idea of creative design can be presented without bringing in all the other contested elements of the Bible or any other religious writings.

 

Sure, pick and choose, lets just not let the young-uns focus to closely on the document from which its derived, lest they discover the contradictions and hippocracys, hmm?

 

The teaching of faith is the teaching of faith by definition.

 

As has already been stated, creationism is a pseudoscience that likes to merely pretend at being real science. It should not be taught in a public education system.

 

I'm not sure what your getting at, schools already teach science? If you dont beleive in God then dont, they dont force God in you

(not that science and religion dont mix) they go very much hand in hand.

Am i not understanding something here?

 

Hmmm, so because YOU do not know or understand the source material I'M wrong???? LOL
Seriously, that is what you are hanging your hat on?

Here is the problem as I see it, and I have mentioned this before.
any real discussion of such topics is virtually impossible here because of the restrictions on Christians and posting Biblical text (although I notice in the Buddhist section entire tomes have been cut-n- pasted with no repercussions) because in order to do so one must violate site guidelines and get deleted or at the worst catch Skip on a bad day and get banned.
I've seen it happen a number of times here.
So should I risk banishment in order to properly present my case, one which I seriously doubt you would consider as you are so entrenched in your own bias regarding the topic, or just let it ride as is....
I'll get back to you on that one.


I have already plainly explained the format I am referring to, sorry if it doesn't fit into your preconceived ideas built on a lack of knowledge of the topic....

let that sink in for a moment,

you are plainly telling me that your take on it is correct even though you admittedly are not familiar with the material.....

and you say Christians are myopic and closed minded....LOL

 

To illustrate the content of a piece of writing requires no outside independent verification.
I am not concerned with "proving" the validity or accuracy of the Bible, I am simply trying to point out that the common idea/definition of faith often associated with religion is not fully an accurate interpretation of how it is presented in the actual text.
Claiming a book states a certain thing needs no outside verification, all it requires is looking at the source material, so not sure why you think a lack of outside verification has any bearing on what I am saying. At the outset I said it doesn't matter if we are talking about scripture or Tom Sawyers Adventures, verifying what the text actually states is as simple as reading said text.

Frankly, if a person were discerning they would recognize that is what I usually bring to these discussions, namely that most folks have absolutely no idea what the Bible actually has within it and jump to lame and ludicrous assumptions based on pop culture and the asinine hijinks of some of it's practitioners.

But I will dig up some references that I hope will make my point clearer, whether or not I post them publicly remains to be seen.