Should All Schools Be Mandated To Teach Creationism?

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  1. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    There is a certain amount of truth in all of that Nox. But they were religious entities exercising those politics.
     
  2. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    and conversely all political ideologies have their genesis in religious convictions/beliefs or denial of same.
     
  3. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Sign of somebody teaching what they know.
     
  4. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Well, he did say almost ;) It sometimes appears like that to me too. Evolution is proved in a convincing way yes, but other scientific theories are not (yet anyway) but accepted to a degree it equals a dogma.
     
  5. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    BINGO!!!!

    watching various documentaries, often concerning space or physics, things are very often presented as verified fact when they are "best guesses" and probabilities.
    A simple example of that is the internal composition of other planets/ moons and such. Sure we have technology that gives us hints about those things, but lacking any actual physical sampling or inspection, it is still relegated the realm of conjecture and speculation.

    people often forget science is all about probabilities and conjecture/predictions based on those probabilities, not absolutes. ;)


    don't forget, black holes are still theory, yet they are talked about as if everyone has one in the backyard to play with.
     
  6. thedope

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    I challenged you on this particular before. It is not just a theory without any substantial observation. Currently black hole is a name given to celestial objects of which we know some but not much about. The theories about black holes attempt to explain the phenomena just as a certain theory might predict their existence before something like it was was actually observed. All our makings are conceptual. I don't know if they will ever change the name of the phenomena currently associated with those regions no matter what we find out about them.
    The point is taken however that everything is subject to review because catness is malleable. We change our mind.
     
  7. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    we observe anomalies in the paths of light from celestial objects and from that, along with number crunching about stars, arrive at an explanation of the observed phenomena and call them black holes.
    Missing from the equation is the actual thing we are describing as our descriptions are based on circumstantial evidence, not direct observation/evidence.
    it is rather convenient though considering that based on our conceptual understanding of black holes, they are more or less impossible to directly observe, measure, quantify or anything.
    Is it really that far from primitives thinking thunder was the Gods bowling.
     
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  8. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    As far as I know it is the same with the big bang.
     
  9. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Exactly, black hole is a name.
     
  10. thedope

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  11. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

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    To ace K: Macro-evolution isn't a fact. Micro-evolution is.
     
  12. Okiefreak

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    R.I. Moore in The War on Heresy argues that the real explanation of the Inquistion lies in conflicts among elites—both secular and religious—who used the specter of heresy to extend their political and cultural authority and silence opposition. This was true of the war against the Cathars. The Cathars rejected not only the authority of the Pope and bishops but that of the French King, as well. The war pitted the nobles of the north of France against those of the south, partially inspired by a papal decree permitting the confiscation of lands owned by Cathars and their supporters. As for the most famous Inquisition of all, the Spanish Inquisition, that was started by Isabella at the insistence of Spaniards who resented the economic competition of "converted" Jews and Moors. Once these "infidel" converted to Christianity, they were entitled to the same privileges as other Christians. The charge against them was that their conversions were insincere, and they had to be tortured to prove that.
     
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  13. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

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    I think non-violence and the foolishness of chasing after wealth are the two most ignored messages even to this day. Just look around.
     
  14. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Excellent example!
     
  15. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Sure, they wanted to retain power.
     
  16. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Why, we didn't hear you say it? Who is providing the message? They think the message is, mine is not his and his is not mine. not ignored drowned out by the din driven away in competition.
    Become familiar. peace will follow abrogating the need for violence.
     
  17. AceK

    AceK Scientia Potentia Est

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    i think what you mean is that micro-evolution can be observed and studied directly, while macro-evolution cannot; there are mechanisms through which speciation can occur, however the amount of time over which they occur is very great in most cases.


     
  18. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Now I know that I'm old and went to school under the old fashioned concept of a “well-rounded” education but I remember learning a great deal about the “mythology” of the Greeks and Romans and their pantheon of gods. I also learned about differing creation stories, like the one that told how the Earth is carried on the backs of turtles through the heavens. And even with all that I was still taught evolution and graduated High School believing it was a proven fact.

    With that in mind I don’t see the problem of teaching creation in school.

    To me whether schools teach creation, evolution or both is not the problem, the problem is that schools don’t teach thinking ability and so students today tend to swallow wholesale whatever spews forth out of the mouth of their “teachers” and thus grow to adults that swallow wholesale whatever spews forth out of the mouth of media, politicians and every other flimflam man that crosses their path.

    We are now living in the age of "question authority" "question everything” but no one stops to think; “to what purpose?”

    Better is “make sure of all things and hold fast to what is fine.”
     
  19. Tyrsonswood

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    So, that's not a black hole in my backyard? What the fug is it then?
     
  20. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    I think schools should teach you what you need to know in life in order to maintain a job so that you can earn money and live a life the way you want to.

    It's really that simple.
     
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