Where did I put those things... Don't even know what they are and I've already lost em. RATS. Gotta be around here somewhere.....
john lennon was a brilliant musician....read any of his bio's and you will soon learn he was also a difficult, drug addicted and often an asshole to those around him it is lame that people judge john lennon on ''imagine'' and a couple other hits and forget the darker side like it didnt exist george was the ''karma'' dude
Isn't it just as lame to state someone as John Lennon was a drug addicted 'wife beater' as if that's the most prominent aspect of his being? So he threw an anger tantrum at times, just like us. When people focus on the things he's famous for they're not necessarily dismissing the bad parts About, that its lame that people judge Lennon on imagine and some other hits and forget the darker side: I agree. Why judge a guy you never met anyway. Enjoy his music... or not. Pass a verdict when you have to It's not like he's Charles Manson. It's more so that most overly fanatic fans are lame regarding how they perceive their idols. Same with the haters. Some people are too eager to judge shit when we don't really have to.
So much hype around the Beatles. No doubt Lennon had his problems as do we all, and maybe he had a dark side, as do we all. I don't think that detracts from the fact that he used his fame to promote a generally positive message of peace. Musicians and artists are rarely saints too. Even George the 'karma' dude didn't really fit in that category. But again, he tried to put out a positive message as he saw it. Edit: Actually, thinking about it, I can't recall a George Harrison song that mentions karma specifically. John of course had a hit with 'Instant Karma'. Boy George had a UK hit too with 'Karma Chameleon' - but it's clear enough that BG is also no paragon.
Lennon was a complicated person: John grew up in a broken home and had a very traumatic childhood being shuffled between his mother and father and finally living with an aunt and uncle. While this doesn't mean he should be excused for his outbursts and violence it must be taken into account. He did go on to be a leading promoter of women's rights, peace, and love.
Oh, is that right about John Lennon? I guess so since he said so himself in that interview you provided MeAgain, as i don't listen to what other people say if i was not there......I make my own feelings about people with what i experience with them....and i never looked into the beatles that much to know anyway..... I never idolized The beatles or any of the beatles. I just enjoy their music. I am not sure I ever really idolized anyone. I love people or not....that is different, or love things they do, or art they create, etc..... so you think John lennon deserved to be shot in the head then?
I am really enjoying this thread. It's not the type of thing I spend much time on with my thoughts but it has been very refreshing! Thanks everyone for making me look at the subject of morals from a different perspective! and I never knew that violent part about the Beatles or John Lennon in particular. I have always been a fan of their music but wasn't at all informed about their personal lives.
I don't know where you got that. The first time I heard the Beatles was in 1963 or 64 and I watched and listened to them evolve both as a group and individually musically and spiritually. As we all did (most of us anyway). The Beatles and Lennon grew out of 50's rock and roll and that era. Greasers, hot rods, rebellion against parents...things were different then. If you are judging someone's actions back then by today's standards you must be careful, and this goes for the early 60's as well. Remember in the early fifties even comic books were heavily censored, it was a different world. As far as his deserving to get shot? Lennon was very involved in the antiwar movement, women's rights, world peace, workers' rights, etc. When we weight his positive contributions to his negative episodes I believe we find him to be a great human-being despise his occasional slip ups. Here was a man who was a millionaire several times over, owned a Ferrari, Rolls Royce, and other fancy cars yet preferred to drive his 1972 Chrysler Town and Country station wagon so as to be inconspicuous. He still owned it when he died. It was a sad day when he was killed, we lost a great man.
Did I start All This By mentioning Lennon ? I was Not Judging him in any way , Or justifying his demise this was supposed to be a thread about Morals Oh OK carry on !! He was a Working class Hero after all !!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve-mANenpC4&feature=youtu.be
I thought i mentioned JL first and I put the instant Karma song on, and said bad things happen to good people and said JL...so I felt I was being attacked for that. My last question was not directed at you, MeAgain. It was a general question.
That only proves the point of communication going askew all over the place, when people have to fill in their own blanks about anything. COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN!
Slapping his wife once and calling Epstein a Jew queer would have been par for the course among British men during that era of the early 60's. In some ways the Beatles exemplified the change away from all that. To me when I was growing up they did anyway. And I'm sure to millions of others.
george was the one into eastern religion...krishna etc....karma started there?,or correct that if i'm wrong ftr i love john lennon...just saying he wasnt any more moralistic than the next guy in his personal life...according to reports of course... who said wife beater?...not me...... oh my....where did you get that from?.....that is quite a stretch to make lol.....try to stay with us
Oh...I am....just making it clear that i do not advocate physical violence of any kind or any bullying either for that matter.
George and John both spent time with Swami Prabhupada, founder of the Hare Krishna movement in the west. George was much more into it and bought them a mansion in the south of England. Later he continued his interest in Indian spirituality, whilst John went his own way. But he probably picked up the idea of karma from Prabhupada or possibly Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (founder of TM) with whom they were involved earlier. If I'm not mistaken, the Beatles 'I am the walrus' features the first mention of the phrase 'hare krishna' in popular western music. Even if there it's sung by an elementary penguin.
But we are still discussing morals. Societies' morals change over time, what is accepted at one time may not be accepted at another.
I am not religious, and I won't give into any of them there religious people's beliefs tryin' to get me to go to that there church and all. My morals come straight from the word of God, and no man intervened, he wrote those in a book and he called that book the Bible, which means literally The Only Word of God. So my morals come straight from him. Therefore when my brothers went up and died I took their wives as my own and I impregnated each and everyone of them. It was my duty. ...Ok maybe my brothers aint dead yet, but one day they will die, and we all die after all, and what if I died first, because I am the oldest, so then I would miss my chance to spread my seed among all my brother's wive's in their wombs. So I went ahead and fulfilled my duty now----because it is god's word and the way I figure, what difference is it to him if I acted 10 or 30 or 50 years too soon? And the one of my youngest brother, she's real cute, and my favorite. I done give her 3 babies already on account of he's workin' hard all night to put food on their table. I just tells my wife I am going out to do God's work, and I am.
That sounds like an excuse to do everyone. Is that what the Bible teaches? I would not know. I never read the Bible. I could not get past the first few pages.