On reaching a consensus re mass shootings in the U.S.

I think it makes sense to start from a common ground and have a few facts, like items 3 & 4 that we just have to accept. I don't know what to do about items 1 & 2. Certainly there is some real degree of abnormal psychology present for someone to become a mass shooter and its an easy extension to say people with that level of mental illness need clinical help. What I'm not sure about is why are mass shootings happening at this frequency only in America? Every nation has mental illness, drug addiction, etc but its only in America where those illnesses manifest themselves in mass shootings. Maybe there is something else in additional to the mental illness that exacerbates the situation in the US. If you leave items 1 & 2 in the discussion you also need imo to acknowledge that we will never eliminate all mental illness.

 

Discussions about causes and cures for recent mass killings seem to focus on gun control and sick individuals. Why does the United States have a much higher incidence of mass shootings than other industrial countries? Some say: because it has more guns, which seems to be a plausible explanation. The NRA says no, we must focus on the individuals who commit these acts, and on mental health. Maybe we also need to focus on the society that produces these guns and murderers.
Does the United States have a higher rate of mental illness than other countries? Apparently it does, according to the World Health Organization. .
Why More Americans Suffer From Mental Disorders Than Anyone Else
Survey Finds U.S. Has High Rate Of Mental Illness, Low Rate Of Treatment Compared To Other Countries
Nearly 1 in 5 Americans suffers from mental illness each year. Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Suffers From Mental Illness Each Year
Depression, dysthymia , and bipolar disorders seem to be the leading problems. An estimated 30% of prison inmates have ADHD. But According to the American Psychiatric Association, the vast majority of violent crimes are not committed by the mentally ill. The United States also has the highest homicide rate of any advanced industrial country--5 per 100,000, compared to 1.6 for Canada, 1.1 for France, and 0.8 for Germany. America's Violence Problem (and It's Not Just With Guns) | HuffPost
But violent crime in the United States had been declining over the past 25 years.

Why is violence still higher in the U.S. than in other advanced industrial countries? Some possible explanations that have been advanced are: (1) more stress, resulting from lower welfare benefits, fewer vacations and diminishing safety nets; (2) a greater sense of relative deprivation resulting from increasing social inequality and widespread media coverage making people aware of it; (3) lessening of organic solidarity resulting from upward and downward social mobility from promotions, downsizing, and automation; (4) increasing anomie or normlessness resulting from the breakdown of moral consensus; (5) the cult of the individual. (6) lack of universal health care providing mental health coverage; (7) the Second Amendment, a uniquely American constitutional feature, was given a new interpretation in D.C. v. Heller (2008) to provide an individual right to won firearms.How the NRA Rewrote the Second Amendment (8) the American gun culture, which according tio Robert Spitzer (1995) resulted from the assocoation between personal gun ownership and U.S. revolutionary and frontier history.In the Southern United States, guns have been central to rites of passage and bonding between father and son in hunting traditions. So gun reform and mental health may be only the tip of the iceberg in getting to the sources of the problem, although they might be easier to tackle.

 

I don't see whats so great about consensus. Consensus doesn't make things true.

Im not going to be getting involved in this thread.

 

Consensus is agreement on things people think are true. It's useful as a foundation for building strategies or policies on which people might agree or find acceptable. Goodbye.

 

Assault weapons should not be available for sale.

There will still be assault weapons which were purchased previously. There will still be some mass shootings. Perhaps with a ban, they will be less often.

 

Consensus is a fine sort of democracy . It is like a family agreeing where to go on vacation . A hippie
consensus can be quite trippy in how the discussion goes . There is great patience with long speeches
that pretend to be extremely logical , and also likewisely the self-possessed lunatics are indulged ... and
it goes on and on , round and round ... until ... there becomes a poem , and perhaps something blowing
in the wind which is in truth a feather .

 

A democracy is also two wolves and a lamb deciding whats for dinner.

 

I've always assumed the whole highschool culture + fairly marked distinctions between jocks & other social groups is a big part of the reason why America has a problem with school shootings.

 

Two wolves and a lamb decide what's for dinner . After an exciting discussion
only one of the three would remain alive . Which one ?

 

Hasn't that been part of American high school culture since, at least, the post-War years?

 

I couldn't tell you, I'm English.

 

Suck it up bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

To be clear: that was a joke I was just told by an american in the gun control thread i shouldn't bother sharing my POV because im dutch.
Carry on, my european neighbour! :-D

 

I bet I know who

 

Yups. If betting was always this safe I would be a gambler

 

No offense taken

 

Its kinda like offering advice to parents on kid troubles when you don't have kids. Easy to offer an opinion but you ain't got the problem. I can't help them by saying don't have kids, they already have them. I could tell them how great it is to not have kids but that doesn't solve the problems for the ones they have.

ie: In Holland Self Defense is not regarded as a valid argument for owning a gun, and only the police are allowed to carry a weapon.

The U.S by its very founding constitution has a kid you don't.

Parents want help from those that are in the same boat. That is why they don't ask bachelors for help. I'm gonna let them be parents the way they see fit and go about my business.

 

OK First part:
Certain violations of the Gun Control Act, 18 U.S.C. 921 et.seq., are punishable by up to 10 years imprisonment and/or up to a $250,000 fine. Needs to be enforced.
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Section 10 should be eliminated:
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If 12c=yes you do not get a firearm.