On reaching a consensus re mass shootings in the U.S.

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  1. 6-eyed shaman

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    3 percent?

    Citation needed
     
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  3. storch

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    Due process in this case would be for the FBI to have followed protocol, which they readily admit that they failed to do. An eleven year old girl was arrested for having slipped a piece of paper under the principal's door which said that she was going to get a gun and shoot people. And she was arrested because written threats to kill or do bodily injury is a felony.

    One would think that, in light of the fact that "children are being murdered at school in record numbers", the FBI would have subpoenaed Google to locate Nikolas Cruz, the You Tuber who indicated that he was going to be a professional school shooter. That would have led to information that his teachers were worried about him carrying a backpack.
     
  4. NotMyRealName

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    Again no disagreement from me. I just proposed that the justification for inaction will always come from a weighty sounding direction. Litigation has become a country draining outcome.
     
  5. storch

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    True. But non investigation and litigation in these kinds of cases can be deadly.
     
  6. NotMyRealName

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    Yep. I'd hope to see some disciplinary actions.
     
  7. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    If you want to go by the law there was nothing law enforcement officials could do.
    The FBI was unable to verify who the poster of reported social media content was in one instance.
    Ben Bennight, the man who reported to the FBI said:
    The second tip came to a general FBI alert phone line which processes thousands of calls a day. The FBI agent who receives the call then records the tip, runs a basic database check and forwards the information to field agents if he or she deems it credible.
    The tip contained no attack plan, no time of execution, and no place of attack. Apparently Cruz's name appeared in no data base and the agent didn't think it was a serious threat so didn't pass it on.

    Florida law states that written threats must be specific, not general.
    Federal law prohibits interstate threats against:
     
  8. MeAgain

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    This girl listed a time and place for the shooting to occur and delivered the threat to the intended site, she was caught on surveillance cameras in the act of delivery. She also confessed.

    It will be interesting to see how this holds up in court. Apparently the police felt the had a specific threat, not a general one.
     
  9. MeAgain

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    I agree we need more anti hate laws.
     
  10. storch

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    Washington (CNN)

    The FBI failed to act on a tip about Nikolas Cruz, the confessed shooter in the Parkland, Florida, school massacre, the bureau said in a statement on Friday.

    A person close to Cruz contacted the FBI on January 5 to report concerns about him, the FBI said in a statement Friday. But the bureau did not appropriately follow established protocols in following up on the tip.

    . . . The FBI said the caller provided information about "Cruz's gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting." The information should have been assessed as a "potential threat to life," the bureau said.
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    If they weren't negligent, they shouldn't have said that they were. But they did, probably because they were.
     
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  11. NotMyRealName

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    I recall that they caller(s) showed his name was spelled and matched exactly the same name Cruz used. If the FBI can track Do Not Fly suspects, there is no reason in the world they can't find a known 18 year old American provided to them on a silver plate.
     
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  12. MeAgain

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    So what exactly is the point of all this bitching about the FBI missing someone in regards to this thread?
     
  13. NotMyRealName

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    Increasing the pressure to carry out what law enforcement is supposed to be doing in the first place. That is part of what this thread is about.
     
  14. GeorgeJetStoned

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    We don't actually have any "Anti-Hate Laws" now. Laws can't regulate people's minds no matter how many are enacted. All the laws can do is allow the government to cash in on human nature. Just like drug laws.
     
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    Well the point of the "bitching" about the FBI has nothing to do with what they missed; it's about what they ignored. But we won't talk about it anymore.
     
  16. machinist

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    Fuck anti hate laws.
     
  17. storch

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    I hate anti-hate laws!
     
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  18. MeAgain

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    Yes we do, I'd list them but there's too may.
    Hate crime laws in the United States
     
  19. MeAgain

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    So what laws didn't the FBI enforce as per Cruz?
     
  20. MeAgain

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    Anyway:

    A Consensus on Mass Shootings

    1. All mass shootings are the product of abnormal behavior.
    2. Something must be done about abnormal behavior in relation to mass shootings.
    3. We will never eliminate every firearm in the U.S.
    4. We will never eliminate every mass shooting.
    5. Background checks are limited in their value and are only one tool available to lessen mass shootings.
    6. Mental health screening and treatment is limited in value and only one tool available to lessen mass shootings.
    7. Outside venues can't be made absolutely safe from mass shootings.
    8. Private homes can't be made absolutely safe from mass shootings.
     

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