London murder rate rises higher than NY City

More people have been killed in school shootings so far in 2018 than in the United States military. So far in 2018, there have been 13 service member fatalities in seven incidents. In school shootings in the U.S., there have been 31 deaths in 16 incidents.
More people have been killed in school shootings so far in 2018 than in the United States military The number of children killed by gunfire in the United States since the 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School is greater than the total of U.S. soldiers killed in overseas combat since 9/11, according to a Department of Defense report. More children have been killed by guns since Sandy Hook than U.S. soldiers in combat since 9/11

 

Are these included in your tally?

1) A man committed suicide using a gun in an elementary school parking lot when the school was closed and there were no children present in Clinton County, Mich., on Jan. 3.

2) Shots were fired at New Start High School near Burien, Wash., on Jan. 4. No one was hurt or injured, and no suspects were apprehended.

*3) A 32-year-old man shot a pellet gun at a school bus, shattering a window, in Forest City, Iowa, on Jan. 6. No injuries were reported, and the suspect was apprehended.

4) A Grayson College student confused a real gun with a training gun and accidentally fired a bullet into a wall on Jan. 10. No injuries were reported.

5) A 14-year-old seventh-grade student shot and killed himself inside the bathroom of Coronado Elementary School in Cochise County, Ariz., on Jan. 10.

6) Gunshots were fired at a campus building at Cal State San Bernardino on Jan. 10. No injuries were reported.

7) Two people in a car exchanged gunfire at a Wiley College dorm parking lot on Jan. 15. No deaths or injuries were reported and no suspects were arrested, however, one bullet was fired into a dorm room with three female students inside.

8) A Winston-Salem State University football player was shot and killed at a sorority party following an argument in Winston-Salem, N.C., on Jan. 20.

9) A 16-year-old male student shot a 15-year-old female student in the cafeteria at Italy High School in Italy, Texas, on Jan. 22. While the victim was injured, she was expected to make a full recovery. The shooter was arrested and charged with two counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. This one we would probably all refer to as a proper "school shooting."

10) An unknown assailant in a pickup truck drove by the NET Charter High School in Gentilly, La., and shot at a group of students on Jan. 22. A 14-year-old boy was initially thought to have suffered a gunshot graze, but it turned out to be an abrasion.

11) A 15-year-old male student shot and killed two students and wounded 18 others at Marshall County High School in Benton, Ky., on Jan. 23. The shooter was apprehended.

12) A 16-year-old student fired a gun at another 16-year-old student during an altercation at Murphy High School in Mobile, Ala., on Jan. 25. No injuries were reported and the suspect was taken into custody.

13) Shots were fired in the parking lot during an altercation between two nonstudents during a basketball at Dearborn High School in Dearborn, Mich., on Jan. 26. No injuries were reported, and no suspects were arrested.

14) A 32-year-old man was shot and killed in the parking lot outside Lincoln High School in Philadelphia, Penn., on Jan. 31 during what police believed to be an altercation between students from rival schools. No suspects were arrested.

15) A 12-year-old female student accidentally fired a real gun thinking it was a fake gun. Four students were injured, including one who suffered a gunshot wound to the head, at Sal Castro Middle School in Los Angeles on Feb. 1. The 12-year-old girl was taken into custody.

16) A teenage boy was shot in the chest and nearly killed by another student who conspired with the boy's ex-girlfriend in the parking lot of Oxon Hill High School in Oxon Hill, Md., on Feb. 5. The suspect was taken into custody and charged with attempted murder.

17) A third-grade student pulled the trigger of a police officer's holstered weapon at the Harmony Learning Center in Maplewood, Minn., on Feb. 5. No injuries were reported.

18) A 17-year-old student was arrested after firing a gun into the floor of a classroom of Metropolitan High School in the Bronx, N.Y., on Feb. 8.

19) The shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., on Wednesday that left 17 dead.
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So, what would you like to see done about this? How about what they did in Philipstown, New York where they mandated safe-storage of guns? That would have stopped the Santa Fe shooter from using those guns. How about prosecuting the father--or anyone--who negligently leaves their guns out and available for their kids to use? Of course, mandated safe-storage of guns would take care of that, wouldn't it?

But first, are the incidents that I've listed here included in your tally, or not?

 

The savagery must be stopped. I'm astonished by these statistics and hope that Congress will soon change its tune so that we can begin to become a more civilized society like our friends the Australians and the British (I don't know any others off the top of my head). I think that we're a long way from banning guns altogether, but we must do something. I think we are seeing signs that more restrictions are necessary unfortunately it becomes more and more clear every time this sort of thing happens. I want it to stop. I think that better gun laws are a mark of progress, but I wonder if it will ever be enough to put a stop to this madness.

 

Australia and the UK abolished freedom for no reason. That's one thing that the US isn't going to do.

 

Nonsense. Australia sand the UK are freer than the U.S. https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/human-freedom-index-files/2017-human-freedom-index.pdf

 

What can you do in America that you can't do in the UK or Australia? Besides easily buy and own military riffles nothing. You have the freedom of speech, of press, and of art. And if you really want a gun it's possible but it will not be a Ar-15. In the UK at least I know it's possible. Might not be in Australia. In addition to all that you have affordable healthcare, education, and workers rights that befit you not the corporation.

You are very arrogant yet uniformed American.

 

No. Free people have the right to carry guns that are powerful enough to be suitable for self defense.

 

That's more than enough. Free people have the right to carry guns that are powerful enough to be suitable for self defense.

People in Australia and Europe are only allowed to have a gun if they convince their government that they need to have a gun.

Free people have guns because they choose to do so, and don't have to convince anyone that they need to have the gun before they are allowed to have it.

And the people in Australia and the UK who manage to convince their government that they need a gun are not allowed to have a gun that is powerful enough to be suitable for self defense.

Free people are allowed to have guns that are powerful enough to be suitable for self defense.

I may be arrogant, but I am very highly informed.

 

No, you need to get out more. There are other rights besides gun rights. Australia ranks #5 on the Cato Institute's 2018 Freedom Index (with a personal freedom score of 9.22, human freedom of 8.89, and economic freedom score of 8.44) and the UK ranks #9 in freedom (9.05 personal freedom, 8.55 and economic freedom 8.05), while the U.S. ranks #17 (personal freedom 8.83; human freedom 8.39 and economic freedom 7.94). or you might try the Heritage Foundation's 2018Index of Economic Freedom, which ranks Australia 5th, the UK is 8th and the U.S is 18th. Or we could try Freedom House's 2018 Freedom in the World scores, in which the United States ranks below both Australia and the U.K. in terms of political rights. According to Freedom House Freedom House 2017 "brought further, faster erosion of America’s own democratic standards than at any other time in memory, damaging its international credibility as a champion of good governance and human rights."

 

Sure, but that doesn't take away from the fact that I have a right to own a gun for personal home protection, does it? Ya know, safe storage and all that.

 

Not in the UK you don’t.

It’s almost like you can’t write an offensive tweet without the police knocking at your door. And don’t you dare insult Islam.

You can’t spell cuck without UK

British people are great; they voted Leave. Some of my favorite musicians are limey. But their police force and government sucks.

 

Yes there are other rights too. But the right to keep and bear arms is one of those rights.

By not having that right, the people of Australia and Europe are not free.

 

OK I know this a dear insult for alt-righters but doesn’t it mean - a weak or servile man (often used as a contemptuous term for a man with moderate or progressive political views) – according to the Oxford Dictionary.

Now I know you are not a weak man I mean you have proved your manliness by admitting you’d let a misogynistic bully verbally abuse your wife until she cried and stand by and do nothing – very manly.

But since it would be completely silly to say everyone in the UK was a man in this context you must be saying you think the British are not far right enough for you?

I mean I’d take that as a complement but sorry to say we have quite a few alt-righty people over here and ones just as manly and seemingly as lacking in empathy as yourself.

So one moment we are all cucks and the next you like us?

I‘m sorry to say many people fell for the lies of the leave campaign and just look at the chaos that is the leave process to see where we are headed.

And some of my favourite musicians are American, so what?

But I’m not a great fan of the Tories and I do think the police need some reform.

‘It’s almost like you can’t’ - LOL which is another way of saying you can.

Also you would need to clarify what you mean by insult Islam?

 

This is how the far left likes to put everyone in groups. Just because the ugly alt-righers have been reported using the word "cuck," well I guess that means it's a word only said by alt-right. Besides, I'm going on a date with a brown Mexican girl next Friday. I don't think the alt-right would approve of that.
Nice try, but I'm one of the least racist members on this board.

What about Bob? First of all, the place in the UK where Lauren was speaking is not my home or my property; it was public land. Islam (nor any other religion for that matter) is dear enough to me to be called my wife.
Maybe you have a privatize-everything libertarian lurking deep inside of you underneath all those layers of progressive leftism. And you just don't know it yet.
And I already told you; I welcome saints and bigots of every kind to express their opinions in the open market of ideas. Something you anti-free speech fascists will never understand.

TBH I think Cuck is a fitting metaphor for a far-leftist. Cuck is slang for cuckold; a person who get off on watching their spouse fuck other people. The far left are cucks with their tax dollars: They gleefully allow the government to take their income away and redistribute it to able-bodied & unwilling through welfare, corporations through welfare, illegal immigrants through benefits and welfare, and rich tyrannical 3rd world dictators in the name of "foreign aid." Meanwhile, the leftist is gleeful and believes that his/her income is being taken away and spent by someone smarter than they are.

Not everyone in your homeland is a cuck. I've befriended plenty of wonderful Brits in my time. It's just that they've been cursed with a horrible government under May and the ones before. Along with the Islamophiles who run the police departments who do nothing about the grooming gangs that are getting out of control. You also have a horrible mayor who stands at nipple height, who foolishly believes he can stop street violence by banning sharp pointy objects. Maybe we should send Khan to jail instead of Tommy Robinson, so he can see how easy it is to make a "shank" out of anything.

But with my posting aside, I still really want to go visit London on vacation one of these days very soon. A project I worked on is on a high-profile display at the Albert Victoria Museum, and I haven't yet seen it in person.

You think that now, but time will prove you wrong.




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The Lauren Southern thread, for one. Tommy Robinson also just got arrested for reporting muslim rapists

BREAKING: Tommy Robinson Arrested, Sentenced for Recording Muslim Gang-Rape Trial [VIDEO]

 

Just a couple of details that might put this story in a somewhat different light. Robinson was arrested for breach of the peace and sentenced for contempt. He was was already under suspended sentence for contempt of court over a similar incident, so what seems like a trail over exercise of freedom of the press was really analogous to a parole violation. Apparently, the judge thought that Robinson had gone beyond ordinary reporting to incitement that could jeopardize the fairness of a trial over alleged sex slave grooming. Tommy Robinson arrested for 'breaching the peace' outside court during grooming trial As the judge saw it;" It is about preserving the integrity of the jury to continue without people being intimidated or being affected by irresponsible and inaccurate "reporting', if that's what it was." The judge may be wrong, but in his judgment he was protecting a trial and its jurors from inflammatory conduct that could affect the impartiality of the proceeding. This attitude might strike us as un-American, but it is supported in British judicial opinion and case law. British judicial opinion has been critical of the degree to which criminal defendants have been "tried" in the media in the U.S., and have taken the opposite approach of imposing tight judicial control of trial publicity. http://www.nyulawreview.org/sites/default/files/pdf/NYULawReview-75-5-Brandwood.pdf In the British murder trial of Allen Chappelow (2011), a gag order was imposed after a "compelling case" that it was necessary to assure a fair trial. The trial was held mostly in closed proceedings and media were prohibited from speculating on the case. So there is precedent for the treatment of Robinson. Under both the "clear and present danger test" and the "imminent lawless action test", I think U.S. courts might give the British judge a pass in the Robinson case--allowing for the differences in social climate.

 

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I‘m sorry to say many people fell for the lies of the leave campaign and just look at the chaos that is the leave process to see where we are headed.

You think that now, but time will prove you wrong.


And what are you basing that on?

 

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Oh and here we go again…alright let’s fill this out

Ok can you explain the policies of Theresa May’s government that you don’t like?

Which ‘Islamophiles’ are running which police forces in the UK we have 43 separate police forces covering the whole of England and Wales (Scotland has its own forces).

In what way is Sadiq Khan ‘horrible’ (is it because you think him unmanly short)?

What ideas of the far right English Defence League do you support?

 

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That’s a strange usage of the term – it comes from the cuckoo birds habit of laying its egg in another birds nest and the Cambridge Dictionery definition is - a man whose wife deceives him by having a sexual relationship with another man

You seem to be describing something completely different, and gives me another insight into the kind of person you are and the way you think.

Wow this is a mess – I mean what are the ‘able-bodied & unwilling’ and what have they to do with welfare and what has welfare to do with corporations in the context of left wing thinking? And why bring up illegal immigrants and tyrannical dictators?

At best you come across as woefully ill-informed and at worst outright dishonest once again spreading alt-right propaganda in the hope of mudding the waters.

Have you done any of that reading that’s been recommended? I mean are you really going to go through life basing all your political, social and economic thinking on the bad sci-fi ramblings of Ayn Rand?

 

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LOL why not just a girl - why do you need to stress that it’s a ‘brown Mexican girl’ (good job of putting her into an appropriate group by the way) and why the need to tell us anyway…are you honestly trying to pull the old I can’t be a bigot I fancy brown women’ - it reminds me of those casual racists that keeps stressing that they have black friends.

And anyway hasn’t that alt-righter Milo Dickhead Yiannopoulo also stressed that he dates people from diverse ethnic backgrounds so what does you dating a ‘brown Mexican’ got to do with you not been alt-right?

Sorry Cinderella but if the shoe fits.

LOL yes of course you are…do you know I never seem to feel the need to actual tell people I’m not a racist.

As I’ve said I can see why you don’t like the Bob thing, I mean your answers to it don’t show you in a very good light – as someone that would let his wife be abused by a trolling bully like Bob and stand back and do nothing and even take Bob’s side over that of your own kids.

As I’ve said parables like these can show what kind of personality a person is and has shown what kind of personality you have, and you don’t come out well and I can understand why you don’t like that.

I hope you tell that woman you are going out with all about this.

Also as I’ve mentioned before the ‘wife’ isn’t specifically Muslim in the scenario but it is telling you keep adding that.

Anyway you seem to be paddling back from what you said, implying that you now would not let Bob into your house but would let him abuse your wife in public areas and do nothing about it. Is that it?

I must say it’s not a great improvement.

 

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Also you would need to clarify what you mean by insult Islam?

It’s not a rapist it’s a - Muslim rapists, a brown Asian man from a Muslim background and you are going out with a brown Mexican girl of presumably a Christian background.

Oh and I believe the majority of sexual assaults that occur in the UK are committed by white heterosexual men brought up in a predominantly Christian country.

So was the whole reason for wanting to go out with this woman was because she was brown? Or was it because she was Mexican? Or just because she was a girl?

So did the person that raped the girl only doing it because he was Muslim, who about been brown or Asian? Did the rapist do it because he was white was it because he was heterosexual?

I mean the Tommy Robinson’s of this world are making a big thing about these Muslim rapists but you don’t find them outside making such a big fuss over white rapists.