Is There Any Room For God In Modern Science?

I see your comparison with Magick and I agree with your definition and logic behind it. I think it is a misconstrue term associated to the witches of Macbeth or Merlin and not the inner power we all possess.

IF, there is a single "God" then he has instilled this power in us with the hope that we will find it and create our "Garden of Eden" or the Earth as I interpret it. This is our garden yet we allow the weeds to grow and take over.

 

abracadabra.....outta likes for the day....
Xenan, ok, thanks for the tip about the book, although I am a bit wary of self help, self discovery books..... I muddle through with instinct, reason, logic, feeling and truths I find along the way....

Ace.....what? WTH is this? sounds like a game or something.....lol

"Keep people off-balance and in the dark by never reavealing the purpose behind your actions. If they have no clue what you are up to, they cannot prepare a defense. Guide them far enough down the wrong path, envelop them in enough smoke, and by the time they realize your intentions, it will be too late."

--Robert Greene, "The 48 Laws of Power"

 

Psychology scares me, intriguing but scary. They profile people to gauge their behavior. A criminal is generally weak minded and the idea of a profiler having the ability to predict what another person will do, seems to me the very definition of the power we have. A strong minded profiler ( which they need to be) can construct the will of the criminal to what the profiler has pre determined he/she will do, without saying anything to said criminal. Simply the belief that he/she will do "this" or "this" is enough to manifest the actual behavior unto the criminal.

 

^so then what you are saying is that you do not think they have a mind of their own?

 

No self help book, I believe in ourselves not what Ekhart Tolle or any of those characters tells me I should do and anyone appearing on Oprah is, well..............

Bruce Lipton is a legit Geneticist and explains how our thoughts and environment can influence our genes to rewire themselves

 

ok, thank you. That does sound very interesting then.....I will look into it.....Yes, i always believed we can program our own selves....but I am not trying to program anyone else is all....LOL

 

No, they clearly do, but is it weak and easily influenced.

It reverts back to the inner power we have to influence and manifest our ideas/thoughts into "reality". If Forensic Psychologists truly believe that a person is capable of a certain crime and base their profile on their belief, then they have constructed a "reality"not only for themselves but they have influenced that person as well. Kinda like the airplane crashing scenario. Is your belief of the plane crashing stronger then the other 200 passengers belief that the plane lands safely?

 

but I am not trying to program anyone else is all

That would be called a politician

 

back to the square one discussion, eh?

So if someone wishes someone dead...that will create someone dead?`....cannot be. I think nature herself is too smart in her design of things to let people have that much power.....

i do understand the profiling discussion though of the criminal mind.

 

I disagree. What you are saying, whether you intended to or not (did you ?) is that the profiler actually influences the behavior of the criminal. That is not true, your grasp of the direction of causality here is reversed.

 

What do you mean by this? What is your evidence?

Let's talk about this point before we explore the possibilities that police forces around the world are psychically commanding criminals to perform crimes . . .

you can't make this shit up guys...

 

This is more or less an objection I've heard mentioned in a different context in regards to the problem of free will. This idea can even extend to knowing all aspects of the individual, but they just intentionally flub their behaviorial responses to assert their autonomy, what I've heard referred to as a "frustrator."

I think ace k's hypothetical 500 IQ individual relies on the assumption that all the human conscious traits grew linearly, so that said individual has basically 3x the processing capabilities of really intelligent humans in all aspects of consciousness. It seems that often times, exceptionally intelligent people have a difficult time relating to the common person but if all aspects of consciousness flowered, the notion being that the areas of our minds which currently require intense focus and energy would become significantly easier to grasp, akin to way simple mathematics or basic motor coordination is for the common person.

 

you are right in your assumption. I did not intend to portray it in that sense of creating the behavior of the criminal but in so much as the mind of the profiler creating that picture him/herself, not to influence others, but their own belief system. Sort of got caught up in the topic Criminal behavior, is a topic on its own, although it is intriguing to understand the drive one has on that path.

 

Maybe fear is a better word?

But I do believe that our influence on the world is associated to our thoughts and ideas that we have. Not as just an individual but on a grand scale. We have command of our own reality, but on a grand scheme, we can influence.

Example yrs back some Meditated in a DC and had an impact on the crime rates of that city

http://fractalenlightenment.com/740/spirituality/the-effect-of-meditation-on-crime

http://www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com/studies-reveal-group-meditation-can-lower-crime-rates/

So maybe the criminal mind is in essence "weak"

 

Is it peer reviewed?

 

lol

That kind of power would be a scary power to have. No one should ever possess that. But if we somehow are able to use more of our mind like 20%or 30% who knows what we could do. i would hope it would be for good, but given our species, who knows

 

I cannot say, but given the FBI and local police admitted as much, should give at least some credibility.

 

Off topic but given all of our ideas and interpretations on points made, it is nice to be able to have a civil discussion of this magnitude and the passion we have for it.

In saying that thank you all and to be back on topic, "is there room for "god" in science? Not if it is in the religious sense of an all powerful being, but as a feeling or an emotion that we ourselves can generate, then yes it is. If we can discover this internal passage and make light of its understanding that few have or understand, then would we not all benefit?
The issue I see, is that science in its mainstream form, will never admit as much and unfortunately we need to search to understand and I guess that is the idea of it all, we need to find it, not someone else.

 

It's the god particle.......

Love is the god in essence, yes, I think that is what it is.....

but I think love is a word losing its meaning and overused to where it has no meaning that much anymore, I fear.....so you are right....in that positive light vibe anyone can eminate out if they choose to.

damn ...it's morning here already.

 

Yes .. damn its morning :/

All i have to say, is that "the god particle" is a horrible name for the higgs boson. It has nothing to do with God whatsoever.