Is There Any Room For God In Modern Science?

That's just like, your opinion, man...

 

"If magick is real, it's science"...yes, and yet, it remains an undiscovered aspect of Science.

I agree just because it grants you power that doesn't mean one should shy away from it, and it doesn't mean that you are weak-minded, as thedope suggests.

 

Okay, but prove it.

You can't, so is it scientific? Don't I have to make the assumption that what you are saying is true?

Granted, I do make this assumption, but it is an assumption nonetheless. Some assumptions are important and necessary, but they aren't falsifiable and aren't scientific.

 

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The best way to find out if Magick is real or not is try for one's self. You did say that subjective experience is real and important, correct?

I've already explained why i don't share my own dabblings. I'm waiting for an actual real scientist that i can show face to face. Not a public forum.

 

but you see, that is not how science actually works. in the real world.

i don't go to the lab to do experiments and find super exciting results (in your case, proving majick to be real would be pretty fucking ground-breaking) and refuse to share them with anyone except face to face interactions.

actual scientists write up their work in journal articles and share it freely with the scientific community - far and wide. the goal is for other scientists to be able to reproduce your work and provide even more support for your hypothesis.

but a magician never reveals his secrets. because it is a trick

 

I'm sure the Scientists don't go on public forums to type up their work, correct?

 

My last post was in reply to the dope but suddenly a hundred people posted in between me and the dope so it seems like I was replying to you, Chinacat.

 

Dope, you say you follow the teachings of christ, does that include Luke 12:47?

 

your kidding, right.
you do understand that it is/was a parable and designed for the audience he was addressing at the time.
I hope you don't actually think Jesus is condoning slavery and whipping servants.
you can take lots of things out of context and make it mean anything regardless of who is doing the speaking.

 

Huh, what's this? The James Randi Foundation is eagerly waiting any proof. Go collect your million dollars!

 

It's kind of funny to see the anti dogmatic atheist overly focussing on literal interpretations of verses no theist here seems to take literally Well, it would be funny if it wouldn't get so old and make us conversate (argue) in circles all the time. Especially when the atheist bacically comes from a lack of understanding when insisting a theist's beliefs are flawed because of following a religion which has these kind of verses in it's holy book (either because they're dogmatic by taking those verses literally or because of the argument that they 'pick and choose' what suits them' aka actually have a nuanced opinion on and an individual aproach to their religion). It's so repetitive and pointless.

 

Actually it's math and the nature of condition. Who drinks, the one that is thirsty. This falls under the heading of being honest about your own shit.

What is your question about it? Let me put it in a different way and see if it doesn't reflect accurately the way things actually occur. the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. And we have the widening income gap. That is on a mundane level. On an esoteric level we have man rich in spirit and one poor in spirit. The rich in spirit give of their opulence and the poor in spirit scratch for any morsel they can find and find few. On a child's level the caution comes out as the boy scout motto be prepared, because you don't know what eventuality you will face or when.

There is another aspect of christ teaching that I haven't discussed in this thread and that is the promise of the indwelling of holy spirit who teaches all things and reminds you of everything he said. When you say does that include luke 12;47, I have to look it up. I am in no wise anything approaching a bible scholar. Give me a life situation and the words emerge spontaneously that address the situation. That is what my mind is like and why I sound like a fortune cookie machine at times. It is filled with a constant stream of statements of principle. Not just only statements of a christian flavor but wise terms from all walks of life. "a beam of light will fill your head and you'll remember what's been said by all the good men this world has ever known." (moody blues)

 

You don't have to make any assumptions, we are sharing our thoughts right now.

 

How could it be possible you can remember all the things said, morphic resonance.

 

I see, we are not worthy.

 

More on luke concerning negative consequences,
The thing that makes us aware of error in real time are it's unpleasant consequences. All the same the solution to error is correction, not punishment.

 

What is not scientific about our subjective experience?

 

Assuming you are a Christian as well, what does it mean to you to follow the teachings of Christ but not take them literally?

Suggesting someone is dogmatic for asking a question, seems really reaching on turning the tables. Questioning is pretty much the polar opposite of dogma. Perhaps you were considering the scope of the discussion???