Is There Any Room For God In Modern Science?

In a world dominated by a fictitious account of the afterlife, do you honestly expect people to hallucinate something other than what they have heard all their lives?

 

Then how do you explain the same experiences happening to atheists also?

 

Indeed, it was. To the logical mind, it was flat until it could be proven that it was round.

But then again, was it not the illogical minds that held to the belief that it was still flat long after, despite the evidence to the contrary?

If evidence is provided, I can change my mind. If there is no evidence, it does not exist. That is logic and reason at work.

 

Monetary gain. It's already been a popular spiel revealed. Appeal to the masses with what they want to accept and earn your money.

 

No, that's being closed minded...

 

How so? Simply stating it does not make it thus.

 

Case closed. pff...

Do you have any evidence that this is the aim of every single atheist who has ever had an NDE?

 

No, just the ones that have been revealed through the media as fakes. Provide a link of an atheist who had a NDE and suddenly became religious.

Provide one reliable source.

 

http://www.near-death.com/atheists.html

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/atheists01.html

http://whitecrowbooks.com/features/page/atheist_professors_near-death_experience_in_hell_left_him_changed

http://wendythomasrussell.com/a-nonbelievers-near-death-experience/

 

Again, I am not seeing proof.

One can claim anything, but without the proof to back it up, it is meaningless.

All I logically see is religiously backed websites attempting to make a claim that because some atheists "claimed" to have experienced NDE's that it must be true.

Where is the evidence that NDEs are real?

Again, I will state that science has already determined that NDEs are mere hallucinations created by the brain being deprived of oxygen. It is a valid, scientific fact.

The fact that you cannot accept it and would willfully and childishly adhere to your own fantasy is proof enough for me that you are close minded to reality.

 

What a coward. You asked me to post links to some atheists who's perspective on the afterlife changed after a NDE, and when i do this you merely say "a claim is just a claim, without proof to back it up, it is meaningless".

And meanwhile, you scoff at a Scientist who wants to make studying an NDE a Scientific practice.

 

Of course this is going to be the conclusion made by one who simply doesn't believe in the afterlife. Since you and any other Scientist that doesn't believe in it doesn't believe in it, any evidence of a subjective experience regarding an afterlife will be concluded to be a hallucination rather than simply the Scientific Data of a NDE.

Since this whole waking life is produced by our brain and Consciousness, you might as well say that this life is also a hallucination. Does that change your day to day subjective experience of it in any way?

 

Hey, it's not a scientific practice if no proof is involved. All I saw and read was mere personal accounts. That is not proof. That does not make me a coward: again with the name calling. I am merely being logical and you cannot accept that.

 

Define proof. What would be your version of proof of an afterlife?

 

This is what you asked for and this is what I provided you with.

 

Proof is the universally accepted version of it.

Empirical evidence. Science being able to test it again and again, according to the scientific method, and receiving the same results time after time.

 

Well like I said, there is a universal familiarity of experiences with NDE's, and also some Scientists who are attempting to study it Scientifically.

And like another person said, so before there was proof that the Earth was round, it wasn't?

 

It would be unreasonable and illogical to accept it without proof, despite the fact that it may be proven to exist one day.

Yes, the world was proven to be round, but the logical people accepted it as thus when the proof was provided. The irrational people still clung to their flat world theories.

Evidence is the key here.

If evidence can be provided, I can change my mind toward it.

Until that time, it is mere folly and absolutely unreasonable to accept it based on mere faith or conspiracy.

"It could" exist. That is no logical reason to believe in it.

We should be smarter than that.

 

I have this too, China, and in my eyes. My doctors haven't explained it either, or even tried to fix it. They just ignore it, pretty much.

 

You are correct kind sir and keep up your inner nerdness, it should be embraced.