Is The Uncertainty Principle Incompatible With Determinism?

And even if they suck, you should love them, for, I say unto you, it is the only reasonable thing to do.

EDIT: But it's okay to avoid suckers.

 

One thing it is supported by real things not things imagined. Love is all we want, good is all we want, reality agrees with you as you are here. It's not a matter of painting roses over turds. It a matter of seeing where the turds are and doggie bagging them forever. You cannot appreciate what is valueless to you. We see a world we'ed rather not. It's because we see a meaningless world. To see meaning straightens it out. What is the meaning of what you see, well if you see it wrong, you are not seeing it right. There is only one reality

 

Actually I wince every time she think she is being dissed, It's not ugly, I respond to the injury of the innocent in a way that grabs me by the throat.

People who are not interested in the well being of others get a test of just how good they are, from me that is.

 

The only value I see in the world today is the value derived from the idea that when it becomes entirely intolerable, there will be chaos, and from that chaos will come a collapse, and from that collapse will come a finer order based on finer values.

 

But that doesn't make the act of pooping "order". Think about it: if you were pooping and someone pointed at you and remarked, "Order," wouldn't you instinctively realize the absurdity of the statement? I would answer, "No, this isn't order. This is shitting. There's a difference."

It doesn't matter if reality has an end or not. You're still just placing a value judgement upon an objective world that doesn't obey your commands. It's not order because you happen to exist and, at the moment, everything is allowing you to exist. It's sights, sounds, and colors that have no real rhyme or reason. They weren't created so that you have some place to enjoy. They are either eternal, in which case they were never purposefully created or they came randomly from nowhere. Now everything may be going in a fixed path, but just don't qualify it as order.

 

You were being tactless and juvenile. I called you out on it. You're still doing it, and I don't know if you can quit, but it's not the end of the world if you don't.

 

It doesn't make sense to reform this worlds current systems. we can see the the previously learning is deficient and the only meaningful reform is fundamental. We are not short on the appropriate value we are long on devaluation. That is because things suck as they are. Now saying this I understand that everyone is variously happy but we all suffer equally with dis ease.

The dis ease is taught to us inadvertently by our parents who themselves are frightened.

As simplistic as it sounds it comes from a language we were taught that tells us what the wold looks like.

Environmental disruption will probably be the catalyst. One astronomical strike that doesn't obliterate the planet will through up cloud cover that will shut down food production for a period up to years. Volcanic activity and earth quakes pose the same kind of possibility. Wars can knock out vital infrastructure. Could we survive that, I think so. But only if you are aware in the moment an alert for opportunity. For those who aren't aware it could be nasty. I think the environment itself is going to have to convince as far as the heavy structures that don't respond.
The forgetful of the ones who didn't get hurt will simply reconstitute with the same attitude and try to put it back together in the same way as quickly as possible and they will be wholesale rude about it,

What I have noticed is that popular interest foretells popular themes shortly to appear. This voice is connected to the sixties liberation and liberty is popular again. the sixties kids have developed skills of their own and are not dependent on the systemic dole any more.

Over this last december period is when i heard someone say it for real the first time, that is with out pretense of solution. I was trying to do something else at the time but what came out astounded me.

This movie puff. "I had thought I clicked on the ppm song. But got this movie instead

Pooping out of mouth would be a biological systems disorder And it is the result of unresolved fight or flight response. the extended exposure weakens other systems. The heart with worry etc. This is not another wise sounding impractical thing I am talking about. This is from the observation of my own nervous temperament the nervousness and irritated relationships that have been my companions for life
The order is not out there we are standing in it. Order is not a mental command. It is mental understanding as it is our thoughts that order our lives. We say chaos but if there is chaos how did we get to pluto? The fact is the world and it's amazing system is under our feet all along. Chaos is a conceived word to describe what we don;t understand or is too difficult to follow.

 

It is the worthy argument you are still making. What you call me has no weight to me. But my denigration is what you offer.
Just so you know where I am coming from in no uncertain terms
These a my terms not yours to decide.

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Vanilla Gorilla, on 05 Aug 2015 - 12:38 PM, said:

I don't remember but if the words didn't change it was probably a spelling error.

To understand my emotional conviction I am a cancer, very emotional, a crab. I'm a detritivore. I examine every single piece of shit for wholesomeness. To get it right. That includes the shit that comes out of my mouth. It's embarrassing to be found wanting after a spirited defense. But that doesn't clue you in on the signal of embarrassment because you can just not show up again. It's even more embarrassing to realize you forgot your pants.

Further and this is the most profound thing I can say. I am alone in finding authority in the world, meaning no one was helping. I was in love with school. I was from a white trash very springer add hillbilly queer environment. It was brutal on the delicate senses. The one praise I got as a child was a precocious use of words. wasn't my fault but it was my joy to understand. I wasn't depressive. I couldn't wait to wake up in the morning and go play. So, I used my vocabulary for diplomacy. Knowing something gave me protection form angry onslaught. I know i'm not a tough guy and even if I was someone is always bigger intellectually always smarter but I know when people message me and tell me that i made a difference in their life. That I've got something of value that someone will come and pay me for with instead of a charge, a bill of authority, you can see why I am unapologetic and say things flatly. The function of the human animal is his scientific classification. Homo Sapiens sapiens, tasting and knowing man. Two separate but mutual virtues of coming to know. We are entertained constantly and constantly we want more and know more or less. The redundancy is to allow time for people to deal with their own emotions. So I methodically, melodically explain and to the point. And the point is we all long to be home in nature in our virgin and not slandered condition. It is the point that is important. I can't trust that you'll interpret my sob story in terms of the point.

So now anyone want to know any detail of my life the information is public.

If any one has something they want from me besides their justification then comeohhnn down.

I live in what the respectable AUTHORITIES BOTH CLEAN AND LEGAL AND JUST, call poverty and filth and perversion.

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I agree. It doesn't make sense to reform the world's current system. It is a mistake to believe that problems within a failed system can be solved using only the tools sanctioned/offered by that failing system. In the present system, there is the idea that all problems, including disease, can be solved if only enough money is thrown at it. But this is like trying to fix the crooked foundation of a building by starting repairs at the top.

And I agree that dis-ease is taught to us. I remember growing up in a house that was built before I was born. It had a medicine cabinet. I can't help but think that it served as a subliminal cue. It also kind of reaffirms in my mind the idea that expectation is the source of all woe; not because you don't get what you expect, but because you do get what you expect. If disease is seen as normal, then maybe it is seen as valuable. After all, everyone wants to keep up with traffic. Maybe that's a little out of line, but that's allowed.

 

There is secondary benefit to being sick, you get care for. Doctors are suspicious now of anyone asking for pain relief. Everybody now is a drug seeker because they want to feel better. Fact is they are seeking a way to get back into enjoying life,not be high all the time.

 

Pooping out of the mouth does not define as disorderly for everything. Pooping out of the mouth isn't disorderly in relationship to the lifespan of a mountain range. You would not point to a mountain range and say, "This is disordered" because you knew someone was pooping out of their mouth.

If order must be juxtaposed with disorder, then you are saying that as a whole, taking both order and disorder into account, the grand total of everything does not constitute order any more than disorder, and what it really is can never be defined.

Thedope, you are simultaneously arguing for and against me. You're saying pooping out of the mouth is a disorder and also that nothing can be defined as chaotic. So disorders aren't chaotic? Disorders are orderly?

I would say that it is because of chaos that we got to Pluto. The good thing about chaos is that it can be seemingly two things at once and still seem chaotic.

It certainly isn't because of some profound order that we got to Pluto. That's just blowing our egos out of proportion. The sad fact of the matter is that we stumbled along like stupid dicks for thousands of years and all we've managed to do in that time is send a satellite to Pluto. Call it perfect order if you will. I just call it utterly stupid.

 

I was poor white trash, too! BROTHER!! Surrounded by farmers who looked with disdain upon anyone who didn't have chores to do. My chore was dealing with their judgments, which I was not very good at. But look at me now. I can out-spell them all with both hands tied behind my back.

 

I am lost here and I have no idea what you are talking about, but in your last sentence, would the "others" include all living things?

 

pooping out the mouth is very common and orderly for many invertebrates.

 

That is why is said it described a biological systems example of order/disorder. It was an example to show that there are ordered systems. The whole solar system is ordered. dense systems like rocks can be treated rather rough and nothing much comes but you treat a living being rough it is more prone to disruption. Now I haven't read the rest of what your reply was because this popped up first and it contained an inaccuracy about what I said that may have affected the calculus of the whole statement. I didn't say pooping out of the mouth was a disorderly definition for everything.

Not for our biological system. We purge by vomiting.

 

I'm not concerned with attitudes not expressed in my presence. I don't judge behaviors, I look at claims. When a person is talking about how another is not worthy of respect I will cling to the one on the bottom and ask the one looking down to show me his superior view. How would I know what level of respect they have unless they tell me. I don't classify in that way. There is only one motive in all of life and that is to have our good. As far as harm to living things, we acquire immunity from it. This is not easy to see but to kill a body for a purpose other than nourishment is at most a waste of currently available resources. We never know what nourishment is needed. Perhaps someone needed to actually kill someone to reflect on his own estate. The material is what we move around.. any jackass can carry a sack of rocks on it's back. You can't destroy just rearrange. Reality cannot be caused to become unreal. Having said that there is no doubt that our situation is tragic in time. If we destroy our biologically clement earth it may take a long time for us to get back up to speed. It took how long in our system for higher awareness to develop.The only thing worth protecting is innocence.
Innocence is harmlessness. It doesn't matter who is on top or who on bottom I will uphold the innocence of both because I don't know enough to judge but I know enough to know we don't know what we are doing. If violations were officially not punishable how long do we imagine that we would not come up with another way to handle it.
Probably not too long because you wouldn't be adding insult to injury every time it happens. People who are convicted of crimes often have families who are deprived of their loved one. children mothers etc..That is unnecessary collateral damage. It is all unnecessary. Now people say if you don't punish bad things will happen. What bad things don't happen now? Could it be buy some miracle we could be mistaken?

 

I find it to be a moot point that there are systems you call "ordered". There is still disorder, and it is, obviously, a part of everything. Everything is not order.

Order requires disorder in order to be given the quality of possessing order, as we commonly understand order. Simply because, obviously, we do acknowledge the existence of order and disorder. But what is "disorder"? True disorder cannot exist, as it would be "unreal". It would not relate to order in any way, and would thus cause catastrophe. So how disordered are we? We need our so-called "disorder" to survive, so how can we say it is not a part of the order, if the order is to sustain life, as you say? But if it's a part of the order, then order has nothing to weigh itself against as being disorderly in order to be called orderly anymore.

Reality can't be determined. Not in the sense that you can fully just understand it, at least. The only thing I understand about reality is that I don't understand it.

To simply ask questions is not paying respect enough to the mystery of the cosmos. It assumes the role of "you". You have to be involved. Somehow it is you who must possess all of the answers. This is folly. You have no choice but to bask in the mystery of the cosmos.

 

have i disrespected you? i don't think I have disrespected you. However i feel disrespected, as you keep insinuating something, and I am not getting your point. I never do not think anyone does not deserve respect. At start, I give that to everyone until they lose it from me...but I wish them no harm....It is like I hate and will not eat lima beans.....I don't expect you not to like them becasue i don't...and i am not going to go kill lima beans....and if someone likes them, that is wonderfu;l..I just don't want them, is all...does not make me better than them....but lima beans and me do not mix, is all.

 

please do tell me what is in disorder?
apparent disorder is merely the ebb and flow of transition from one state to another as everything moves towards equilibrium, but it is all done in an orderly fashion dictated by the laws that govern the cosmos.

it is all a matter of perspective

 

Okay lets expand. everything is in order and it is juxtaposed to disorder. There is disorder, ordered system disordered, but disorder does not have to be present for order to be orderly.
It is not necessary for you to be disordered to have order. To be disordered means to be out of order. Not in order. The ordered thing is still there but there is an error. An error can be corrected but disorder can only be reordered, you can only find order not destroy disorder. So ordered things can be dissembled and reassemble. Disorder is never an assembly, that is a contradiction of terms. We can make a mistake and correct it but we can never harm reality or the ability to make true distinctions. Disorder is not resolved by killing disorder but reordering. An error is not relieved by punishment or judgement against for pain and suffering. an error, as in we make an error, can be identified and corrected. that error never changes underlying correctness but it makes the correct seem obscure.