Is The Uncertainty Principle Incompatible With Determinism?

I'm not getting how my words can change something essentially random into something determined. I can determine certain things about an object, but I haven't somehow transmuted base metals into gold. If the forms are also a language, that just sets the goal post back one step and now the question becomes what is essentially determined about language rather than random? If we began as random fluctuations, what is it that makes things orderly? It seems to me that nothing that follows from a random event can ever truly be said to be completely orderly. You think my language magically makes chaos order?

 

Quantum collapse doesn't change underlying physical structure, it makes things apparent. It' is not magic, it is miraculous nature to be able to see. What makes things orderly is if they are available. We make sense of the senses. The hard part as I said before is understanding that you are not cut off from what you see. We are simply informed by relations or are relatively informed which is no less than informed, the universe made of information every bit itself fully informed. To transform the gross into the sublime cut the critical crap. The complaint is arrogant. If you knew better you would see it better. Language gives the order of the mind.

 

I used to wonder why I was always the one who had to eat the shit to restore peace until I discovered that I was the one who could do it.

 

It is by action alone that the will is evident

 

I don't think language makes chaos ordered. Chaotic language confuses the mind.

 

There is a profound difference between the miraculous and magical beliefs. A pill is a magic potion.

 

All of our actions are moderated by our world model gestalt. The model is not out there it is formed by agreements in the mind.

 

The uncertainty principle is certainly not compatible with the convicted mind. The open mind welcomes it.

 

Get off your high horse dope. Any scenario in which I am complaining or being critical is purely being fabricated in your own mind and I am lost as to the reasons why, except maybe it's a defense mechanism of yours that kicks in sporadically. You are not being mindful.

You haven't explained to my satisfaction what makes everything orderly rather than random. I don't see why everything being interconnected means that the process of creation is following strict, definable guidelines.

 

Get off your high horse dope. Any scenario in which I am complaining or being critical is purely being fabricated in your own mind and I am lost as to the reasons why, except maybe it's a defense mechanism of yours that kicks in sporadically. You are not being mindful.

You haven't explained to my satisfaction what makes everything orderly rather than random. I don't see why everything being interconnected means that the process of creation is following strict, definable guidelines.

 

What high horse little person. The reason I speak as I do is that I had to right myself. I am a beast of burden. You think someone becomes fluent in this language without understanding suffering. I explained the mechanism. You didn't listen. What makes things orderly is the minds view. It is as simple and self evident as that. What is already determined is the physical platform. that exists. It is on this platform that we make changes. To your satisfaction i say eat your own candy. Say something kind.

 

The problem with peoples complaints is they think they deserve attention when they need to pay attention. I can't think for others but we can share our mind.

 

Even if you insist that everything has mind and that every bit of information is essentially privvy to all variables, there is no way to take a step back and say "This is order". Language requires something to communicate to. Everything speaks for itself, but it isn't crying out that it's orderly.

 

If you fall from your noble steed the fastest remedy is to get back on.

 

That is right because you are not separate from it. you can't step back. But you can change your mind and in so doing discover that you had been mistaken of yourself. We are not cast out into darkness. We are the cosmic brilliance just now waking up. What is out there you can't order around, you have to find your order through it. No one need teach you anything but there is always someone to remind you if you want to learn.

As to everything speaks for itself and the reason we can't see is we try to impose order on it without understanding the dimensions of it. Understand you have a question about order because it's yours to question.

 

Now I haven't said deal with it without something practical to help. Learn to make true distinctions with language. Language is already ordered. The only true distinction we can make is same or different. Language as you use it now is full of qualifications. i.e. you haven't explained to my satisfaction.

 

So you don't see any contradiction in asking what high horse and proceeding to call me "little person"? I'm not any smaller than you and I know this already. You are, perhaps, not the messenger sent to explain to every fool on earth that they are only small.

I don't think you are fluent in the language. For instance, who in the world is implying that you know nothing of suffering? This conversation concerns the facts alone; it has nothing to do with your personal struggle, though I'm sure your struggle is totally epic and beyond anything someone as small as me can grasp.

What is it that makes you call mind orderly rather than admitting it isn't definable? It's been proven that the physical platform is uncertain. That's what this whole thread is about. Saying the physical platform is set in stone doesn't mean you've determined the ultimate nature of it anyway. All you've really managed to ascertain is that it exists. Well yeah, but what is it? Is it pure order, really, and who are you to determine that for everyone else?

 

If language were ordered perfectly it would never have any need to evolve. Defining abstract things cannot grant them order.

 

Fact is neon when you were learning someone could have tied your shoes for you indefinitely but you insisted on doing it yourself.

 

No, it was a comment in like kind though we find children, little people to be innocent. You are the one who posited me high or aloof. Now you are the one who looks a gift horse in the mouth when he says the answer is in you. Be happy that you found out where to look. Melts in your mouth, not in your hands.